Posts by waton

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Here's a question that I guarantee no one has ever thought of!

by nowwhat? in

unlike men who took no note, surely the fallen angels knew of gods plan to flood the earth, so why didn't they build an ark(s) for their nephilum sons?

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waton

That is not the point of the parable. It doesn’t need to be parallel in all aspects

fm: surely the creator of the immense universe can come up with a parable that fits in all facets of application, invites deeper insights in hidden details?
Image the deity adhering to a later "eye for an eye" law to extract his wayward children from the predicament caused by the talking snake, --by sending his firstborn to be killed, but in the parable naively says "surely he will be safe !, ? " utter nonsense, incompetence by bible writers, plot planners.

not even "inspired" in the sense of a Bach concert.

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Here's a question that I guarantee no one has ever thought of!

by nowwhat? in

unlike men who took no note, surely the fallen angels knew of gods plan to flood the earth, so why didn't they build an ark(s) for their nephilum sons?

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waton

back to the flood story, ;

Only these super strong hybrid humans could have possibly build the ark without the benefit of hilti, makita, dewalt, bosch and ryobi.

foresight seems to not lacking in wayward angels only. what good was that big wash only 2x 2022 years ago?

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Jehovah's Witnesses: remembering the weird and wacky!

by Vanderhoven7 in

do you remember some of the weird and wacky stuff emanating from the watchtower society?

let's make a list from memory that we can use to inject a little humor into our discussions with jehovah's witnesses.

- venus may be an enormous jurassic park.. - germs don't cause disease.. - no beards allowed.

waton

"Israelite clothes never wore!" road to nowhere,

yeah, once perfection is reached, we would be go full nudist in paradise.

imho, that would quickly fill the gaping gaps left by the post-millenium rebellion.

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Typical jw doublespeak

by nowwhat? in

the org.

said to follow government guidelines but here in ohio they are making everyone wear masks for the meetings, despite the fact mask wearing is only mandatory in health care facilities!

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waton

masks are great to hide the beard you are growing. all perfect men grew beards. grin and bear it.

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Mark Noumair latest video on persecution on jw.org

by raymond frantz in

https://youtu.be/tbbxaasj6ki.

waton

Is it new light that only the anointed are written in the scroll of life? Listener

That makes for a 100% failure rate at the end of the world, because the anointed are slated to die and go to heaven at the onset of the great tribulation. The overlap will come to an end.

at least wt is honest, no absolute guarantees for survival at all.

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This is worth pondering

by Truth-and-Justice in

jw
friends

to my friends on the board,.

i had troubles trying to find my password to log in, and because of that i had to come up with a new password.

i use to be truth and justice, so now its the same with the hyphens between the words.. i had read of certain ones here, getting an invite to the memorial.

waton

Surely Jesus' ransom only bought back exactly what Adam lost - life on earth? B M

exactly, and the wine, symbol of the blood of the New Covenant seals that, if you drin of it. partake, then later, the other anointed have to forego, sacrifice that assured hope to qualify for heaven, as did the Christ. that is why

The coming of jesus at the great tribulation is troubling for me to fit in. Just another unexpected cliffhanger in wt theology.

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This is worth pondering

by Truth-and-Justice in

jw
friends

to my friends on the board,.

i had troubles trying to find my password to log in, and because of that i had to come up with a new password.

i use to be truth and justice, so now its the same with the hyphens between the words.. i had read of certain ones here, getting an invite to the memorial.

waton

waton ,can you verify this ?
Very interesting if correct .

sm3: I am always listening with perked ears on these talks, turning clear instructions by the Lord, into pretzels by wt outlines and their unsuspecting, hapless, speakers. .

There were 2 outstanding points by this amazing not ethnic presenter. (whether that is verbatim in the outline, or his own logical conclusions , I do not know).

1) Memorial would stop at Jesus' coming at the great tribulation, ( I had hoped for a 1000 years of sipping ) and

2) switching from the blood of the New Covenant, (always the big chasm in the talk), the speaker mentioned that the Kingdom Covenant was already made. (true, because while the KC was mentioned to be done after the last supper, outside the upper chamber, there is also an earlier scriptural mention. so,

although the bread and wine was passed to the disciples with an earthly hope, they had been told way earlier they would be ruling over the 12 tribes of Israel. (Can that be construed to be the "Kingdom Covenant" mentioned in the talk?) ref: Math: 19:28 " sit on thrones with me, judging the 12 tribes of Israel-"

In Acts 1: 5,6,7, The last supper attendees still asked about the earthly kingdom to be established, with them ruling I suppose.

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This is worth pondering

by Truth-and-Justice in

jw
friends

to my friends on the board,.

i had troubles trying to find my password to log in, and because of that i had to come up with a new password.

i use to be truth and justice, so now its the same with the hyphens between the words.. i had read of certain ones here, getting an invite to the memorial.

waton

there are many comings, standing up, sitting downs of the messiah in scripture and wt descriptions. here is a new one , in today's memorial talk.

the wt memorial will be celebrated until the coming of the lord. this end shall coincide with the demise of the last "anointed" at the outset of the Great Tribulation. so, confirmed:

this year's memorial talk pinpoints Jesus's coming to be at the great tribulation, ( he also sits down to judge the sheep and the goats) and as Michael stands up for his people.

new light: jesus is coming at the great tribulation, 1914 fans, hang your heads.

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Who is partaking of the upcoming memorial in April 15, 2022

by bola in

i am plan to partake of the emblem for the first time.

i have informed my elders of my heavenly call during the time they met with me for my reinstatement last year on june, 2022. i informed my congo secretary also.

who else is intending to partake.

waton

is completely unrelated in my mind. I wouldn't want to 'partake' there as it has a whole different connotation to JWs than to most Christians. nbd:

here is what occurred to me: WT is asking the attendees to make the ultimate sacrifice, that is to forego the right to everlasting life on earth, that is made possible by the ransom, the blood of the new covenant.

the anointed of the overlapping generation accept the emblems, but sacrifice the right to everlasting life in favour of the immortal upward calling, as did jesus the "second Adam" btw.

you reject the emblems, you reject the ransom they symbolize.

wt is asking everyone to make the ultimate sacrifice, in their "worship the anointed elite" ploy.

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Memorial Weirdness

by Ding in

those of us with a watchtower background probably see the memorial as normal.. at least, we're used to it.. we can forget how weird it seems to an outsider.. it's like inviting a group out to dinner, having meals placed on the table, and then explaining to them why no one present should be partaking of any of it because it's really intended for someone else..

waton

it's really intended for someone else. D

It is really an act of worship to that "someone else", because the meal offered is said to the symbol for the sacrifice only for that absent elite group, and

the audience is asked to sacrifice their right to the ransom symbols too. so,

rather than making it a uniting community meal, wt turns it into a dual sacrifice to the true worthies, because

any local partakers are surely not of that lofty class, the overlapping anointed generation.