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  1995 generation change

  by Gorb in

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  now, many years later, i remember the 1995 generation change, very well.. since early youth, hearing my father explaining in field service the 2520 years.

  it was his main theme in the field.. with the change my doubts started.

  with some jw friends we did not trust the organization anymore.

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  waton

  I still have my old 84 BF showing the anointed as the generation that would not die. Now all those pictured on that page who were actual anointed are all tits up. gone

  mbc: why would their timely death be a problem? it actually fulfills current wt prophecy, which has it, that all partakers will have to die before Armageddon, the Great Tribulation.

  Loesch should listen to the other Austrian, W. Pauli who said " that is so bad, it is not even wrong "

  because Jesus never said the generation would die before Armageddon, the greatest disaster to ever hit the human race. He said the generation would survive, and die, pass away afterward.
  
  
  
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  Ezekiel's Temple Vision Changed

  by IWant2Leave in

  1. watchtower
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  it was nauseating to listen to the book study the past week on zoom.

  old timers, and elders who have served for decades took the change of the vision in ezekiel chapter 40 thru 48 without blinking an eye.

  just drank it down.

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  waton

  There are all these temples, tabernacles , can you count them? all 7+, ?

  The book study is a meaningless, disjointed gibberish. gaslighting .
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  If you think Watchtower is disappearing any time soon…

  by Reservations in

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  you are sadly mistaken.. i hear people say it on here all the time, and dare i say his name *cough* lloyd evans *cough* has said it a number of times, that watchtower is running scared and watchtower is in decline….. we need to put in perspective the decrease from the 2020 report.

  if we calculate a yearly -0.6 decrease over a 10 year period from 2020 figures it leaves us the grand total number of witnesses of:.

  by 2030: - 7,933,479. by 2040: - 7,471,357. by 2050: - 7,036,154. i agree that this is a significant decrease, but let’s not kid ourselves, the wt organisation will still be alive and well even with an annual 0.6% loss.

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  waton

  there was a steeper decline after 1925, 1975. so, if there is a great loss of members, look for a doctrinal failure, again.
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  Congratulations, Emma Raducanu!

  by LoveUniHateExams in

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  congratulations to ms raducanu, from orpington, kent (my hometown).. she has just won the us open on saturday.

  i don't have a tv license or a tv, but i did manage to see the final in my local pub.

  and the two finalists didn't disappoint - it was a cracking match with a high level of tennis.. and raducanu triumphed 6-4, 6-3. her achievement is pretty much unprecedented.

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  waton

  interesting, that both finalist come from mixed race marriages with oriental mothers. both born in canada too.

  remixing the human race to near - edenic perfection.
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  1995 generation change

  by Gorb in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  now, many years later, i remember the 1995 generation change, very well.. since early youth, hearing my father explaining in field service the 2520 years.

  it was his main theme in the field.. with the change my doubts started.

  with some jw friends we did not trust the organization anymore.

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  waton

  Matthew chapter 24 mentions the great tribulation it technically doesn't mention Armageddon. DJW:

  imho, yes it does! because:

  verse 34 describes the generation that will pass away after the end. before that,

  verse 21 marks an event of greater destruction than the Deluge (cited again later) , Sodom & Gomorrah, or will ever occur again, so bigger than the post-millenium fire from heaven. therefore, that definition only fits Armageddon. ergo,

  "all these things" of verse 34 must include Armageddon, and the generation according to verse 34 survives it, to die later.

  Only one group of individuals fit those parameters: the Armageddon survivors that die in the final rebellion, ~ 1040 years from now.
  
  
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  1995 generation change

  by Gorb in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  now, many years later, i remember the 1995 generation change, very well.. since early youth, hearing my father explaining in field service the 2520 years.

  it was his main theme in the field.. with the change my doubts started.

  with some jw friends we did not trust the organization anymore.

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  waton

  "Remember, Jesus said of those living through the last days, starting in 1914: "Truly I say to you that this generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur." (Matthew 24:34) Yes, peace will really come within this generation but not through the nations' efforts." Watchtower 1991 Apr 15 p.7

  1995 - Worldly People for an Unlimited Period

  an unlimited period could have started at pentecost, or 1914, then, overlap is implied. Splane limited it to 2 life spans of anointed centenarians. 2 x 100 = 200, minus 2 overlaps of 20 years = 160, plus 1914,= 2074 plus I year of training of the new arrival in heaven for combat, 2075 as the new wt Armageddon date.
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  1995 generation change

  by Gorb in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  now, many years later, i remember the 1995 generation change, very well.. since early youth, hearing my father explaining in field service the 2520 years.

  it was his main theme in the field.. with the change my doubts started.

  with some jw friends we did not trust the organization anymore.

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  waton

  copied this from the good Jwfacts site: bold added. From this teachings of Jesus you can see that wt is wrong about the generation, because

  wt teaches, the generation will start in 1914, end at Armageddon. but below, read Mathew again: The generation survives Armageddon, does not pass away until all has occurred, but dies afterward. Quibbling about the overlap should be over, the second fulfillment idea of the generation itself is finished.

  "Remember, Jesus said of those living through the last days, starting in 1914: "Truly I say to you that this generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur." (Matthew 24:34) Yes, peace will really come within this generation but not through the nations' efforts." Watchtower 1991 Apr 15 p.7

  1995 - Worldly People for an Unlimited Period
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  1995 generation change

  by Gorb in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  now, many years later, i remember the 1995 generation change, very well.. since early youth, hearing my father explaining in field service the 2520 years.

  it was his main theme in the field.. with the change my doubts started.

  with some jw friends we did not trust the organization anymore.

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  waton

  Can someone post the article or abstract of it? There were so many changes I dont know which is which, lived through them all since 1957.
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  Enduring watchtower study

  by road to nowhere in

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  my studying consists of skimming the article.

  this one starts with 2017 don't give up convention.

  at the time i changed it to i give up.

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  waton

  the article gave the deity's endurance as an example to follow. According to wt writers, he endured the indignities visited upon creation and suffered that mental anguish. -- ( except when he did not, blew a fuse, killed all life in the flood, causing suffering, horrible drowning deaths, --or confused the languages at Babel, it would have been too easy for the opposition to reach to heavens unitedly, [ Bezos and Musk take note]) --. so

  wt adherents, if the father can endure the pain indirectly , so can you, endure it directly, in the flesh, personally . what other choice do you have? it was really funny to hear the tortuous comments getting around that big absurdity, all based on the talking snake story, including illustrations .

  in the meantime, Life is a great gift, enJoy.
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  Sep. 2021 Broadcast: more money

  by neat blue dog in

  1. watchtower
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  in the latest jw broadcast, anthony morris the turd gives a talk about donations.

  to camouflage this, he starts and ends the talk by saying that isn't actually what he's doing.

  first he starts with the usual disclaimer, 'wt has never begged for money like christendom and we never will', you know the drill.

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  waton

  to drop an IOU in the contribution box

  PZ: talking about IOUs, wt owes a lot of people a lot of dough, for paying full time workers below the going rate, owes apologies, and $$$$ for lost opportunities, income. for working on a mostly useless project.