Posts by waton

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Why did Paul call Jesus, “the firstborn from the dead”?

by Doug Mason in

"jesus christ was resurrected on nisan 16, 33 c.e., the day when the jewish high priest offered up the firstfruits of the barley harvest.

this fits in accurately with jesus' being the "firstfruits" in the resurrection of the human dead.

(1 cor.

waton

Because, he was the first to be born again from SIN to immortality. Don't forget that the sins of the whole world (not just Adam as the WT tries to teach) were placed upon Him

SB that is new thoughts to me, although it contradicts in a way the text that says, he "died apart form/without sin". [personal sin] ?

If he really inherited all these sins, died a sinner, that undermines my favored request. proof for his standing, namely. to have him outlive his natural life term of 1001+ years before releasing him for sacrifice.

If you really accept such an inheritance, it shows on your accounts so to speak, you pay taxes on it,

If he really died a sinner. he truly was the second Adam. according to the bible stories, some people died twice, might die again, that too should account for some "sins" makes sense?

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Why did Paul call Jesus, “the firstborn from the dead”?

by Doug Mason in

"jesus christ was resurrected on nisan 16, 33 c.e., the day when the jewish high priest offered up the firstfruits of the barley harvest.

this fits in accurately with jesus' being the "firstfruits" in the resurrection of the human dead.

(1 cor.

waton

Once you accept the 'from dust to Adam to the rib and the talking snake' scenario, the groundwork is laid to keep on spinning the thread.

Do the scriptures not encourage us to outgrow tales fit for five year olds?

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Do You Support The Death Penalty ?

by minimus in

jw
friends

do you support the death penalty or do you think the worst punishment should be incarceration?.

waton

with unlimited foreknowledge, )as some are reputed to have), I would support execution before the deed is even done.

A murderer should die before he can even make another human join her in death.

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God is Love , & other victim blaming in today's wt "study"

by waton in

some thoughts for lurkers to free themselves from wt think: .

the "god of/is love" really applies tlc, tough loving care , to his beloved children.

letting them learn the really hard way.

waton

I found this interesting post

pp: interesting what one poster said: " jws preach salvation, but salvation from what? from the wrath of the loving god! " so, is it a protection racket?

FUJ: damage control.

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What do you think about NDE? Life after death?

by Mowgliandbalu in

please forgive if my english is a bit crooked :-) at least i understand quite well and i thank everyone here in the forum very much!

you were a big help for me within the last months.

i'm a born-in from germany, mid50, was 20 years elder, woke up a few years ago.

waton

But the WT does say that demonic activity happens in our time. Now isn't that odd? DJ

that fits in with the wt's 1914 doctrine, that the wicked spirits are now only here on earth, the focal point of their attention. which should fire a few neurons in distress.

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God is Love , & other victim blaming in today's wt "study"

by waton in

some thoughts for lurkers to free themselves from wt think: .

the "god of/is love" really applies tlc, tough loving care , to his beloved children.

letting them learn the really hard way.

waton

Some thoughts for lurkers to free themselves from wt think:

The "God of/is love" really applies TLC, tough loving care , to his beloved children. letting them learn the really hard way.

Instead of using some latex from the rubber tree, to muzzle the snout of that talking snake,

He let the lie "you will not die" *proceed and do it's ravages, blaming humans for his failure to be a normal protective, proactive father; Then he indebted the victims by the story of correcting his negligence in providing the "ransom" benefits, only administered through wt. inc's monopoly.

In true form, Wt blames victims to be resentful, and have "hateful" reactions to what happens to them in the org, the cong.

* the same lie taught by the wt "slave" since 1919, "millions now living will never die."

P.S. not saying that there are not some truly caring individual among jws. ---thank you and bless them.

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The jabberoonie

by punkofnice in

i had my 1st rona vaccination last saturday.

i had the one i jokingly call the asteroid xenomorph.. the whole thing was well organised.

i felt fine until the next day.

waton

I did not feel my last 3 flu shots, and became suspicious that they just faked it and pocketed the money, but they have it really down now to the Rev 21 " no more pain" level.

In this developing nation , the over 90 year olds , like me, will start getting their first shot later this week.

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UK 6pm cerfew for all man?!

by LoveUniHateExams in

here in the uk, we've had a recent missing persons case which has turned into a potential murder inquiry.. sarah everard (33), disappeared on wed 3 march in london.

human remains were subsequently found in a wood near ashford, kent, and a met police officer has been arrested on suspicion of murder.. horrible events, and the issue of women feeling unsafe on the streets certainly needs discussing.. but surely not what baroness jones suggested: tabling an amendment for a 6pm curfew for all men.

wtf???.

waton

But the root cause is that boys are badly brought up

Very good post Phizzy. Nature has given us extreme procreation urges. overwhelming male pleasure, not aversion through pain or bitter taste.

If families want stable families for their daughters, safe lives for them, they have to teach their sons a kind of inherent sacredness of all the young daughters in the wider family circle.

In some cultures this is achieved by putting a curfew on their own women, hiding them from view even, and declaring open season on other group's females. or making them war bounty, even posthumously.

Lady BJ's seemingly irrational response is really a desperate cry for the crimes against our most treasured humans to stop, - voluntarily.- failing that,

If it will take to eradicate the gene, or gene- carriers of this particular strain of violent behaviour to stop so:

let's do it. not by a curfew, but cull the few. --phew. ***

*** P.S. I always thought that this plague was destined to be removed by the promise in Rev 11: 18, where the deity is said to be planning to " destroy those destroying the earth", we can't wait.

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Jehovah's Witnesses can now VOTE!

by UnDisfellowshipped in

jw
friends

jehovah's witnesses were raped and tortured by the thousands in malawi because they obeyed the watchtower society's rules, and they broke caesar's law and refused to purchase a political card in a country that only had one polictical party.

now (since 1999), jehovah's witnesses are allowed to vote in political elections!

i would love to hear everyone's comments.

waton

In the 99 article, wt is freeing itself from legal responsibility, it shifted the burden entirely onto the hapless "publishers" they are the publishers, although wt prints the literature, makes the video productions, the ver changing doctrines.

since the governments are placed in their position by the deity, how do we humans humans dare to effect that process? or, are we not god's fellow workers?

Avoid a Malawi fate at all cost. wt does the shifting, the jws do the 'schufting".

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What do you think about NDE? Life after death?

by Mowgliandbalu in

please forgive if my english is a bit crooked :-) at least i understand quite well and i thank everyone here in the forum very much!

you were a big help for me within the last months.

i'm a born-in from germany, mid50, was 20 years elder, woke up a few years ago.

waton

Mgb: love to hear your accent.

Dying is a highly personal experience, and I have been near death several times. I do not recall any euphoric moments. but also no pain, when I should have. so:

i take that to mean, that animals that according to Peter are meant to be caught, killed, sacrificed, eaten, have a less horrible death experience, than we imagine, except in slaughterhouses

I am 10 years away from a natural death, so wish me well. .