what is the latest baptism question relating to organisation membership" " do you understand -- to be part of Jehovah's 's organisation (not spirit directed any more)?
can you be a part but not a member?
Posts by waton
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24JW's Not Members anymore but Individuals
by pistolpete ini've been waiting for someone to post this and i've haven't seen it yet, perhaps i overlooked it since i don't visit that often.. but here is the link to the discussion.
in it you will find letters and links to this new light.
whether it's true or not, please verify.. as of .
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A Growing Problem for Materialists
by Sea Breeze inthe famous double-slit experiment proves that light travels both in individual particles called photons and also as a mathematical probability wave.
matter itself exhibits this particle-wave duality which allows objects to exist in two different places at the same time, depending on whether of not you are looking (testing) at it.
scientists have recently been able to get molecules as large as 2000 atoms to exhibit this duality!.
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waton
Even energy has to have an origin of its existence.MF:
This type of reasoning is akin to kicking the can down the road. because it implies the act of creating, a source that itself needs to come into existing. and so on it goes.
if we extrapolate the "known" about energy into the past, beyond the Big Bang Beginning, we can be comfortable with the assumption that time and energy are fundamental, uncreated, infinite in age,unthinkable it is t us creatures of this limited, and limiting universe.
Once information is accepted as real (albeit immaterial) SB:
Interesting point. Yes right now we need carriers, embodiments for information, but one could imagine the "truth" about 2x2,or pi, 3,14---, existing by themselves, nd potentially to appear anywhere needed.
Do you believe then, that these abstract "truth", natural laws are present even outside and before this universe, waiting for a place, matter to latch onto?
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A Growing Problem for Materialists
by Sea Breeze inthe famous double-slit experiment proves that light travels both in individual particles called photons and also as a mathematical probability wave.
matter itself exhibits this particle-wave duality which allows objects to exist in two different places at the same time, depending on whether of not you are looking (testing) at it.
scientists have recently been able to get molecules as large as 2000 atoms to exhibit this duality!.
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waton
---a position of we dont know --Even energy has to have an origin of its existence. MF:
why? what ever happened to the concept of infinity, even expressed mathematically as the sleeping 8 ?
just because we dont like it, can not picture / comprehend it, will not 'will' it out of existence.
But the Op is correct, if you are strictly limited to stick to the material, the stuff we have right now in this short - lived universe, you are on safer grounds.
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A Growing Problem for Materialists
by Sea Breeze inthe famous double-slit experiment proves that light travels both in individual particles called photons and also as a mathematical probability wave.
matter itself exhibits this particle-wave duality which allows objects to exist in two different places at the same time, depending on whether of not you are looking (testing) at it.
scientists have recently been able to get molecules as large as 2000 atoms to exhibit this duality!.
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waton
The problem with the term materialist is, that matter or material is just a particular, solid form of energy.
Energy has been proven to be not destructible, only transformable, hence is even uncreated, therefore must have existed before the Big Bang., along with time, the first or 4st dimension.
just because our instruments do not reach, or receive information from that era, or our 3-4D brains can not "picture" it, does not mean it is not factual.
The quark / quantum conundrums just shows the frontiers of knowledge we have to expand, and
if there is a creator (not god) obviously set up to explore
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A Growing Problem for Materialists
by Sea Breeze inthe famous double-slit experiment proves that light travels both in individual particles called photons and also as a mathematical probability wave.
matter itself exhibits this particle-wave duality which allows objects to exist in two different places at the same time, depending on whether of not you are looking (testing) at it.
scientists have recently been able to get molecules as large as 2000 atoms to exhibit this duality!.
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waton
all protons and electrons identical to each other? --------regardless of substance. SB
is it not the numbers of protons in the nucleus, and number of electrons in an atom that determines a substance?
But you are right, everything carries information, even gravity, and it's waves, travelling at the speed of light.
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Privileges
by neat blue dog infor me, outside the jw context, that word seems to relate to something like a prison setting, where you're allowed to do certain things based on good behavior.
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waton
The other term is "enjoy" as in "will enjoy the privilege" "enjoy reviewing the meeting". and "serve as/in" the congregation as POoBoE. really
enjoy dominating over the other dismayed wannabes.
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jehober "always'" protects his 'loyal servants'?
by eyeuse2badub inlast week i watched the docuseries on prime video called “the last narc”.
it was mainly about the notorious mexican guadalajara drug cartel during the 70’s and 80’s and a united states dea agent, kiki camerena, who was kidnapped, tortured, and murdered in guadalajara, mexico in 1984. this is a very well-known and haunting event here in the usa.. however, there was also about a 7-8 minute segment during the docuseries that graphically detailed the kidnapping, rape, and murder of 4 jehovah’s witnesses that also took place just days before kiki camerena was taken.
the jw’s were 2 married couples, us citizens, dennis and rose carlson, ben and pat mascarenas.
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waton
right after the invention of religion , that is sacrificing to the deity, 100% of true worshippers were wiped out. God knew about it, did not stay the stave.
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jehober "always'" protects his 'loyal servants'?
by eyeuse2badub inlast week i watched the docuseries on prime video called “the last narc”.
it was mainly about the notorious mexican guadalajara drug cartel during the 70’s and 80’s and a united states dea agent, kiki camerena, who was kidnapped, tortured, and murdered in guadalajara, mexico in 1984. this is a very well-known and haunting event here in the usa.. however, there was also about a 7-8 minute segment during the docuseries that graphically detailed the kidnapping, rape, and murder of 4 jehovah’s witnesses that also took place just days before kiki camerena was taken.
the jw’s were 2 married couples, us citizens, dennis and rose carlson, ben and pat mascarenas.
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waton
Only the wt organisation is protected, not individuals.
like you have the floating ark, but the passengers might be dead.
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You Know You're A Jehovah's Witness When...
by pale.emperor inyou know you're a jehovah's witness when.... being offered a scholarship to a good university is considered a bad thing.. when you see a house you like you claim it for after your god kills the owner.. you recieve spiritual guidence from a bus driver and a window washer.. you're engaged to a person you only met 3 months ago.. your widowed mother is marrying a man she met at the convention who she's known for 2 weeks.. there's jehovah's witnesses meeting in your house on a saturday morning to talk about going out knocking on doors on a saturday morning.. a lie in on a weekend happens about twice a year.. you dont talk to your own parents/children because they have a different opinion about a magazine.. you're not quite sure what you're supposed to believe anymore.. when someone criticizes your a magazine you feel like you're being attacked.. your 3yo son owns a suit.. if you're not married by the age of 30 you're considered to be gay or something wrong with you.. (for girls) if you havent married the first or second person you've dated you're considered promiscuous or something wrong with you.. you get your scientific knowledge from a magazine written by people who've never been to college and have never actually read the source they claim to be citing.. you get excited if there's a storm or natural disaster.. you get excited when there's a terrorist attack.. you get excited when there's a pandemic.. your version of tinder is the lunch break at a convention.. your girlfriend dresses like her grandmother.. your grandparents, despite being in the same religion as you, died believing totally a different belief system..
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waton
when your late grandparents, you spend quality time with , are an early group of the same generation as you, living along the "partakers" of the same age.
(if the anointed overlap so must everybody else)
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KH flying Chilean Flags??
by Vanderhoven7 ini saw a headline saying chile is demanding religious organizations fly the nations flag.. is this accurate?
is the society complying?.
https://jwsurvey.org/tag/jehovahs-witnesses.
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waton
Thinking: what about a ship used by jw missionaries, and vessels are required to fly the flag of the nation of their registry.
would the blue JWORG do? the new earthly symbol of the 1914 kingdom? or are the local colours de rigueur ? for an imaginary HMS "'Lookbryn" ?
seriously though, in the 1930 the government ordered all to fly the swastika, but since no ceremony is involved, could/should a ZJ have done so, or
a local jw done so in Malawi?