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Do Other Sheep have Eternal Life Now?
by Vanderhoven7 in
1. watchtower
2. bible
one of the benefits of justification is eternal life for believers.

i found an interesting passage from the wt, june 15, 1974 which reads:.

"it is to the spirit anointed christians who will rule in that kingdom that most of the christian-greek scriptures is directed, including the promise of everlasting life.
waton

the anointed gained immortality whereas the other sheep gained everlasting life s3:
The partakers have to give up everlasting life to gain immortality. All immortal ones ( except the father) , had first an earthly right, hope of everlasting life, including Jesus.
With everlasting life you are vulnerable, can be killed, starve to death.
what was the tree of life for after all?, to repair such damage.***
*** The tree of live was not a forbidden fruit, perhaps even a staple in the diet to maintain the "all was good" of creation.
not endorsing, the talking snake story.
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Where have the NWT Bible changed verses to fit their theology ?
by smiddy3 in
1. watchtower
2. bible
i can think of two to start off with .

john 1:1 and luke 23:43 ,what others can you come up with ?.
waton

From this week's Jesus study 132. The resurrected corpses, going into Jerusalem, to be seen there. Math 27 52, 53.
wt version: it is people that happened to be in the cemetery that saw the resurrected holy ones and went into Jerusalem to be visible there.
Wt theology demands that only GB members can resurrect on record.
This bible passage ranks among the fairy tale level anyway.
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Do Other Sheep have Eternal Life Now?
by Vanderhoven7 in
1. watchtower
2. bible
one of the benefits of justification is eternal life for believers.

i found an interesting passage from the wt, june 15, 1974 which reads:.

"it is to the spirit anointed christians who will rule in that kingdom that most of the christian-greek scriptures is directed, including the promise of everlasting life.
waton

One sequence of steps culled from different publications is, that all christians by virtue of partaking (John 6) have everlasting life, which means restoration of the perfect human condition.
The wt "anointed" have to sacrifice that earthly privilege to obtain the heavenly calling as bsw also did J.C. , the second Adam .
not endorsing just mentioning.
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Belgium: Jehovah's Witnesses will be tried for hate crimes on February 16.
by yalbmert99 in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
belgium: jehovah's witnesses will be tried for hate crimes on february 16.. https://www.nieuwsblad.be/cnt/dmf20200915_93224449.
waton

Vdh, is the case about peoples behaviour or wr policies of enforcement?
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Belgium: Jehovah's Witnesses will be tried for hate crimes on February 16.
by yalbmert99 in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
belgium: jehovah's witnesses will be tried for hate crimes on february 16.. https://www.nieuwsblad.be/cnt/dmf20200915_93224449.
waton

VdH, Can extremist escape prosecution because their ancient texts demand action against infidels?
If wt gives freedom to chose shunning or not, why are violators punished?
Of course I discourage my family to greet the pedophiles, and " adulterous eyes" in the congregation, but I can avoid being punished for that, almost.
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Unbelievable Freddie Franz Admissions
by Vanderhoven7 in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
unbelievable admissions.. freddie confesses he fell for his own propaganda.. https://youtu.be/fkjw-r9oitk.
waton

I simply don’t believe a person with a truly exceptional intellect would fall for Russell’s gobble-de-gook. Ds,
may be he did not, but was convinced of just one aspect and saw a theatre to act in , realizing that the road to Rhodes were too crowded.
The subject matter seems correct, candid, but the voice not quite right.
DOC, may be Ross Perrot took up acting? doing voice overs? Fits the part, a modest man, wanted to rule the US of A, but Fredrick co - rule the universe and the beyond.
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Unbelievable Freddie Franz Admissions
by Vanderhoven7 in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
unbelievable admissions.. freddie confesses he fell for his own propaganda.. https://youtu.be/fkjw-r9oitk.
waton

I dont know, the voice , rendition, lacks the shrill clarity with which he came across. but believable.
anyone remember the talk " The children that god has given me ?. " Haschbash-----"
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WT on being convinced you have the truth
by road to nowhere in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
par.

" what may happen if our faith is based only on the christian love shown by our brothers and sisters?

" different than my experiences.
waton

"You too must logically reason
"And third, you need to confirm BB
did not the first "truth" criteria of the article involve a literal interpretation of the bible? anyway
in all three cases, the wt puts the responsibility on the R&F to establish the truth in their minds. in other words:
brainwash yourselves, true believers. so:
1) the bible is not literally true,
2) the bible description of the creator is only a caricature.
3) with 2 fundamentals wrong how can the "true org" claim be right?
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WT on being convinced you have the truth
by road to nowhere in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
par.

" what may happen if our faith is based only on the christian love shown by our brothers and sisters?

" different than my experiences.
waton

Knorr --- was an interested observer of current events." That would account for the WT's "predictions."
Bc; yes, avid reader of Time magazine, not tea leaves.
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WT on being convinced you have the truth
by road to nowhere in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
par.

" what may happen if our faith is based only on the christian love shown by our brothers and sisters?

" different than my experiences.
waton

The Himmler story is bazaar'
rtn: yeah, wt wording gives the impression, that Luebke, a Jw , freed from the camps was talking to the "reichfuehrer", who was also on the run, and as a result of the jw's. revelation, HH committed suicide, not so, The SS leader killed himself ( like Goering) in allied custody
by cyanide poisoning, biting on a capsule, hidden in his teeth, to escape worse fate.
Interesting that wt wriers mention not to leave the "truth" because of th wrongdoing of some pioneer, elder, but are silent on the failings of wt doctrines.
Jw inmates in the KZ "--camps did not know all prophecies?--" some did not know the new, wrong position of Brooklyn on the 'superior authorities' . it was hard to stand up for death not because of Brooklyn's teaching but in spit
Did you know that there were more witnesses in Germany than the US at that time? with the guillotine in full fall, and Rev 20 true, The axe of the axis power gave bible fulfilment.