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Was Sin Inevitable?

by Parker in

i was wondering about this question and wanted to ask: was sin inevitable?

also, i had thought about past watchtower articles or publications related to this topic and did some research and found this from our readers ask if adam was perfect, how was it possible for him to sin?.

well, then, did god create adam with a moral weakness, so that he lacked the ability to make sound decisions or to withstand temptation?

waton

The defense of my position? I'm only going by Watchtower and Biblical concepts

P: sorry that my flawed diction does not get my ideas across.. I was referring to the defence that God mustered against that insult to his "sovereignty " in the garden of Eden.

to prove his point God had to match a super warrior (Jesus) with billions of years of training against a youngster, (Adam) that apparently failed him. Adam in reality appreciated God's creature Eve above else)

how about an even match>? and even then god has to intervene to kill all his opponents, and will have to do it again, and again ?

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Was Sin Inevitable?

by Parker in

i was wondering about this question and wanted to ask: was sin inevitable?

also, i had thought about past watchtower articles or publications related to this topic and did some research and found this from our readers ask if adam was perfect, how was it possible for him to sin?.

well, then, did god create adam with a moral weakness, so that he lacked the ability to make sound decisions or to withstand temptation?

waton

Remember this is the story of creation but within the Torah, the Law of Moses.

CarM: Why then did "Eli" not avail himself of the [future] provision of a father's prerogative to cancel the consequences of his daughter Eve's blunder? I mean, "love covers a multitude of sins"

where is the fatherly love?

thousands of years of animal sacrifices, + one perfect human, and we are still mired in "sin"

P.S. With Eve's sin avoidable, we could have had perfect woman, with undamaged female chromosomes.

well , we love our wives and Daughters, so it is as perfect as it gets, talking snake stories or not.

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Was Sin Inevitable?

by Parker in

i was wondering about this question and wanted to ask: was sin inevitable?

also, i had thought about past watchtower articles or publications related to this topic and did some research and found this from our readers ask if adam was perfect, how was it possible for him to sin?.

well, then, did god create adam with a moral weakness, so that he lacked the ability to make sound decisions or to withstand temptation?

waton

if Adam and Eve had love for Jehovah, then they never would have sinned against him. Because after all, how did Jesus remain obedient

P: This was not a question of love, but of seduction, how to detect deception sprang upon

2 very young and inexperienced humans.

Eve should screamed, and have called Adam right away. (the 2 witness rule demands it anyway) A loving father would never have his young kids to be duped like that.

Compare Adam to Jesus: The first Adam was a newly fashioned, innocent, uneducated immature youngster.

Jesus: after his baptism, a spirit directed being, with at least 14 billion years of creative, moral experience with the best tutoring available.

what do you expect?

P.S. if the defence of your position depends of that kind of fire power, it must be on shaky grounds.

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Was Sin Inevitable?

by Parker in

i was wondering about this question and wanted to ask: was sin inevitable?

also, i had thought about past watchtower articles or publications related to this topic and did some research and found this from our readers ask if adam was perfect, how was it possible for him to sin?.

well, then, did god create adam with a moral weakness, so that he lacked the ability to make sound decisions or to withstand temptation?

waton

Was sin inevitable? Also, I had thought about past Watchtower article --

P: No, how about today's wt study article? Par 11, what should Eve have said to the snake? --not the wt response-- but: Just hold it a moment, let me get my husband

It was not that Eve "did not love God" as wt asserts, but

"she was deceived" and Adam too did not worry about the big J, universal sovereignty, but was blinded by that expanse of the perfect skin / shape, -- and in jeopardy of withering and dying away from him .

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Was Sin Inevitable?

by Parker in

i was wondering about this question and wanted to ask: was sin inevitable?

also, i had thought about past watchtower articles or publications related to this topic and did some research and found this from our readers ask if adam was perfect, how was it possible for him to sin?.

well, then, did god create adam with a moral weakness, so that he lacked the ability to make sound decisions or to withstand temptation?

waton

Were Adam and Eve not really perfect by themselves, but merely kept alive and healthy by God while they obeyed him,

AA: well, how about the tree of life then, not a forbidden fruit, was it a staple to keep them "perfect" or only a kind of medicine in case of dire emergencies?

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Purple Triangle

by apostatethunder in

has anyone noticed that the colour purple comes from mixing red and blue, and that the red triangle meant political prisioner and the blue triangle meant foreigner?

purple also comes from mixing pink and blue, foreign homosexual or sexual offender.

that's how the nazis wieved the bible students.

waton

Of course all these paints, stains and dyes are made for the dying, end of the line, from substances that absorb certain incoming wavelength,

Energy, live photons' colours are different, mixing all wavelength, these light "colours "gives white, not shades of black.

reflect on that.

I remember in the late 1930s, the yellow of the star of David, by compulsion warn even outside the Camps.

Did Jw also have to wear their chosen triangle in public? dont think so.

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2 + 2 = 5?! lol

by LoveUniHateExams in

interesting video from carl benjamin.. apparently, some philosopher is arguing that 2 + 2 doesn't always = 4; sometimes it equals 5.. this is madness, utter madness.

i'm a scientist; objective reality does exist.

the existence of gravity isn't up for debate.

waton

The french language is very strict about this. There is no " it" and no "das". You are either female or just male without the "fe". hence le " oh la la. "

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So according to wt. Doctrine, If you die one day before Armageddon...

by nowwhat? in

you will be resurrected.

but if you live one more day when armageddon starts you will die a horrible death with no chance of a resurrection.

makes sense to me!.

waton

the day"? choose your time zone well.

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No, They Will Never Notice!

by Atlantis in

jw
friends

since the watchtower has already made this bible public, i can put a link out here.. no, the rank & file will never notice the words "governing body" have been inserted into acts 15: 1-35 in the 2019 new world translation, matthew to acts.. click the image to make it larger if need be.. https://postimg.cc/sqvdl10w petra!

waton

I think "Jesus" sweating for ~ 30 years on his workbench ( hobelbank)*** was fantasizing about an egalitarian society: hence his instructions: " call no one your leader or [ spiritual ] father "

M Fs' quotations are full if leaders, leading men, , chiefs, only the word
" governing" is missing from these translations, and the 'no no list' of the sermon.

***proclaimers book page 426.

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GB teaching - Gays and Lesbians will be resurrected as Gays and Lesbians

by Listener in

the final talk of the saturday afternoon online convention is given by lett, sporting a creepy looking combover, which for some reason, looks creepier than normal.

he talks about how those resurrected will need to come into line with a new moral code otherwise they will be destroyed.

he uses an example of gay people having to turn away from their inclinations even though they may feel that they are perfectly acceptable.. this demonstrates that the gb feel that being gay is a taught behaviour rather than an imperfect unnatural desire, otherwise they would be growing out of that desire as they develop towards perfection, as they teach.

waton

people will be resurrected as male and female with sexual desires. They have not been so clear about this until this Convention talk.

L. listen: wt taught that this applies to the earthly hope[rs], because Jesus in the quoted text about "not marrying or given in marriage" was talking to people with an earthly hope, with no concept of 144 000 male virgins. so:

Like angels: with no normal or abnormal sexually desires, to be consummated only in married bliss. at minimum,

the so inclined will, at best, be best friends not getting married, as they can now in many places, but not in the NW.

a peak into the "scrolls to be opened"?