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  Apostasy endorsed in this yesterday's Watchtower Study

  by doubtfull1799 in

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  “there may be occasions when it would be good for us to reconsider a choice or decision.

  it could be when the prevailing circumstances change.

  jehovah altered his decision at times when circumstances changed.

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  waton

  They make a sly reference to a vow (as compared to a mere decision) that has to be obeyed, par 18: "-- he expects us to follow through on other decisions ( like vows? dedication?) that we make [made] on his guidance.

  strange that wt will disfellowship people for disagreeing on doctrinal decisions , they made, that they later change, but will not automatically reinstate those that had it right in the first place,

  The gist is, if you make the decision to allow wt to make doctrinal, prophetic decision for you, don't blame them for you being so gullible.
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  Review of Awake Magazine: Philosophy 101: How to Construct a Logical Syllogism

  by Saename in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this morning my brother and my mother (whom i mentioned in my previous topic when we had a conversation about evolution) visited a jehovah's witness, and when they returned, they returned with the awake!

  magazine that they received from the witness.

  the magazine is entitled, "is the bible really from god?

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  waton

  Bertrand Russell sumed up religious belief with his teapot:

  jl: It is telling that Russell (not the wt thinker), would pitch the analogy of a teapot at 1.3 AU against the possibility of a creator, that little ~.6 AU space for the perhaps 50 billion lightyears extent of the universe. (and the creator would be beyond that).

  Oddly enough there would be a theoretical opening at 1.3 AU orbit for a body, the way there is a 30 AU exception opening for Neptune in the Bode scheme of doubling planetary spacings. Russell's ruse? anyway,

  talking of argumentation,

  Belittling the grandeur of the Creation is not bolstering the strength of a "the universe created itself " argument .

  
  
  
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  The Pope - 2000 sex abuse cases backlog

  by Tallon in

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  2. child-abuse

  the pope admits to a backlog of 2000 sex abuse cases which still need to be addressed.. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/ap/article-4503202/pope-acknowledges-2-000-case-backlog-sex-abuse-cases.html.

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  Even the Vatican's financial guru, The man from Australia, Pell, no show for the ARC commision, has been targeted by new accusers.
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  Lets be honest, not a little leery of the resurrected ones????

  by James Mixon in

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  2. friends

  maybe i have watched too many zombie movies but i would sleep with one eye open, inquire to see what is your favored menu,do you sleep walk, are your body parts functioning properly (i would hate to shake your hand and it fall off).

  your wife never married after 10 years and now you are back, can you perform in the marriage bed?

  ?it would be hard for me to sleep at nights with someone that have been dead for over one year sleeping next to me.

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  waton

  since the resurrected ones do not marry, then we must presume they would be without, navel, sex hormones and other means or need to initiate mating rituals,--then my trophy wife will be finally free from unwanted passes? but then on second thought,

  the resurrected ones will be like angels, and look what they precipitated, before the flood, a disaster even everest could not escape dry, (tears of laughter)
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  Which Watchtower publications did you keep?

  by Schnufti in

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  2. bible

  i'm currently cleaning up our bookcase and need to decide what goes into the trash.

  i'll keep the watchtower books that are not available online anymore (e.g.

  the brown "reasoning" book).

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  Concordance, proclaimers book, green bible with the dinosaurs in the Sahara ha ha.
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  Review of Awake Magazine: Philosophy 101: How to Construct a Logical Syllogism

  by Saename in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this morning my brother and my mother (whom i mentioned in my previous topic when we had a conversation about evolution) visited a jehovah's witness, and when they returned, they returned with the awake!

  magazine that they received from the witness.

  the magazine is entitled, "is the bible really from god?

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  This is a misunderstanding of the analogy. The analogy is there to demonstrate why one cannot make appeals to faith. It is not indicative of God's existence.

  Saename: I understood well, but wanted to bring the important point into the discussion, that in all this we always have to deal a priori with the existence and details of the universe. whether it created itself or not, . I agree with you, the bible can not be inspired, god does not intervene. But: will we have a jarring revelation?
  
  
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  Review of Awake Magazine: Philosophy 101: How to Construct a Logical Syllogism

  by Saename in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this morning my brother and my mother (whom i mentioned in my previous topic when we had a conversation about evolution) visited a jehovah's witness, and when they returned, they returned with the awake!

  magazine that they received from the witness.

  the magazine is entitled, "is the bible really from god?

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  very well written post. wt logic seems to be designed to appeal only to simpletons, and allow only them in.

  On the odd gumball / god's influence argument, - The existence of all these gumballs argues in favour of a creator, one more or less is just icing on the cake. Schroedinger's gumballs?
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  JW Cultish Thoughts about RIP!

  by Iamallcool in

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  ones who are lovers of jehovah .

  dont say rip .

  rip is also pagan in origin.

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  waton

  R I P wt version: resurrected in paradise
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  USA Arizona - Missing JW 18-year-old found dead

  by darkspilver in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  police are still investigating the cause of death.. az central, 13 may 2017. missing prescott valley 18-year-old found dead.

  a prescott valley woman who was reported missing late last month has been found dead, police said friday.. yavapai county sheriff's office deputies joined the prescott valley police in searching for the 18-year-old walmart cashier.surveyors working on a new connector road above glassford hill in prescott valley found her body on friday and contacted authorities, according to the police department.. police in a press release confirmed that the body found off a maintenance road near glassford hill was lefler's.. the case is still being investigated, and the cause of death is unknown.. red more: http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona-breaking/2017/05/13/missing-prescott-valley-18-year-old-found-dead/321043001/.

  gofundme, 3 may 2017. help find lianna lefler gibson.

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  Tragic this violence against young women. Reminiscent of a Ice cream outlet worker in Canada, that decades ago did not return home from work.

  Proves that the father they are pleading to for help is something else.
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  Jerusalem's destruction.....

  by Unstuck in

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  2. bible

  hello all - so me and stuckinarut2 are at the state library proving to ourselves that wt has it all wrong re: 607. i've read at length jwfacts, jwsurvey and crisis of conscience that all go into the subject and i've just downloaded gentile times reconsidered.. while it is fabulous to have someone else compile all the research and evidence for you, it is quite another to see it in print for yourself - and so, here we are.. while we wait for our array of books i couldn't help but share with you how the state library has catalogued jewish history - 586 bc to 70 ad.

  no mention of 607 as a key date as far as the library's catalogue is concerned!!

  evidence before we have our books!!.

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  The fixation on the First Jewish-Roman War (66-73 C.E.) by the Jehovah's Witnesses and other Christians is so very odd to me.

  David Jay: thank you for the clarifications, post 2 was about the internal inconsistencies off the wt doctrines, anointed generation. That jws have a myopic world view is another of their foibles.