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  Judgment Day

  by Fisherman in

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  a specific “day,” or period, when particular groups, nations, or mankind in general are called to account by god.

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  “i solemnly charge you before god and christ jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead,”- 2 tim 4:1. seems like sins are not paid by dying or the ransom if there is a judgment in-spite of it.

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  waton

  tbn: "-it doesn't address the "why" of the theft either. If someone is dirt poor and starving to death I doubt they have the means to repay seven-fold-" .

  tbn:

  excuse the yellow. often kleptomaniacs, serial killers, can not be helped, sick individuaLS FIT ONLY TO BE REMOVED PERMANENTLY.

  The laws are meant to be deterrents, clearly spelled out.

  If the individual could not read, or not repay the seven sheep, because being a bad manager, he could pay his dept to society by contracting into long term organized labour. with guaranteed safety net. release, if desired, after 49 years. @ Jubilee.

  Criminality will disappear with the disappearance of criminals.

  Committing crimes is not a human right.

  If there is one judgement day to fix that, once and for all, I am all for that.
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  “Hanging the earth upon nothing”

  by FFGhost in

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  for those of you not up to speed on the latest jw trends, one of the key scriptures the jws are using in field serve-us lately is job 26:7, wherein the writer describes the earth as “hanging upon nothing”.. this text is used to indicate the bible’s “reliability”.

  the reasoning goes something like this:.

  “see, centuries ago, people thought the world was flat, or was resting on elephants or turtles, or some such nonsense.

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  waton

  Good point, the bible is only 0.16 % accurate, scientifically.

  Disturbing too, that the Son, when on Earth, sent to speak truth, did not correct the flat earthers, like "Satan" , who showed him all the kingdoms of the Earth, from the heights, offered them on a platter so to speak. ***

  It is not just a wt, but a bible problem, starting with Genesis 1:1. which has the Earth 13.8 billion years old.

  the sky hook for the Earth is energy, its velocity. "dynamic energy" eternal, uncreated, together with time.

  *** bible writers lacked imagination, they should have depicted the 2 sons of God on the moon, viewing Earth for 24 hours, showing all the empires, , China and it's wall, visible from space. .

  FUN FACT: The planet's "hanging" orbital velocity is exactly 1/10 000 of the universal speed limit, the speed of light "c" --30 km /sec. amazing, look it up.
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  Judgment Day

  by Fisherman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a specific “day,” or period, when particular groups, nations, or mankind in general are called to account by god.

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  “i solemnly charge you before god and christ jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead,”- 2 tim 4:1. seems like sins are not paid by dying or the ransom if there is a judgment in-spite of it.

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  waton

  This is against how the JW understand it.

  L14, wt writers have now admitted (in latest light) , that judgement will be, because of sins committed in this current life, but do not give the good explanation/reasoning you did. thank you.
  
  
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  Judgment Day

  by Fisherman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a specific “day,” or period, when particular groups, nations, or mankind in general are called to account by god.

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  “i solemnly charge you before god and christ jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead,”- 2 tim 4:1. seems like sins are not paid by dying or the ransom if there is a judgment in-spite of it.

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  waton

  Revenge is immoral. It can never be just. Therefor vengeance makes any justice system unjust.

  Tbn. without retribution the laws against criminality are just empty words. example:

  Think of the law that has a thief pay seven times the value he stole. great idea.

  The one who takes somebody else's life has forfeited the right to live.

  " it is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living god."

  "outside the liars and adulterers, the dogs"
  
  
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  The question`s GOD beleiver / Creationists ignore or don`t / won`t / can`t answer ?

  by smiddy3 in

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  the common thread of beleivers / creationists of a god creating life is design .. and if something / anything is designed it must have a designer ?.

  however this reasoning is discarded when talking about the existence of god.. and if such a being as god somehow existed without a designer why not all forms of life itself as existing on earth ?.

  coming into existence without a designer ?.

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  waton

  Is there anything in the following statement that requires a designer God to have their own designer?

  Huberus, at a given point we have to acknowledge, that our systematic framework of thinking abilities runs up against the unfathomable.

  energy, can not be created, even in our universe, it does not even need a creator, designer. Time too is eternal, does not need a creator.

  The laws that came with the package of our universe give all the needed setting for all to develop.
  
  
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  Another diabolical, disingenuous, nutcase illustration

  by Beth Sarim in

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  this has been weighing on my mind all day,.

  i just have to vent and get this off my chest.. the latest jw brainwashing, indoctrination session i think it was a broadcast.

  toward the end where the speaker was spouting-off about being in a 'race' again and 'enduring until the end',.

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  waton

  Paul was referring to the faithful ending of his own life. wt followers are well advised to take his words to heart.

  Nobody has made it across the finish line alive yet. ever.

  It is vital for racers to know the laps remaining.

  In the wt treadmill, (that powers the corporation), the uphill race is more then 1000 years away, so Warwick hopes.

  I will start my 93rd lap around the sun this month. Love the the start lines, hate to thing about the finish.
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  New method to absolutely date Fall of Jerusalem.

  by waton in

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  for what it is worth to those interested.

  1914.. tel-aviv university.

  "biblical military campaigns reconstructed using geomagnetic field data.

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  waton

  How is it written in stone--?

  As many archaeological findings their are imprints, conditions of the material that is left or has filled the voids left by the original, I used that turn of phrase.

  Very good replies by all, particularly about the circular argument clarification. Nothing new from New Scientist.
  
  
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  The question`s GOD beleiver / Creationists ignore or don`t / won`t / can`t answer ?

  by smiddy3 in

  1. watchtower
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  the common thread of beleivers / creationists of a god creating life is design .. and if something / anything is designed it must have a designer ?.

  however this reasoning is discarded when talking about the existence of god.. and if such a being as god somehow existed without a designer why not all forms of life itself as existing on earth ?.

  coming into existence without a designer ?.

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  waton

  Think of the billions and billions of suffering creatures because our [fallen and cursed] world is based on predation.

  Sea Breeze, evidence cast in stone aka fossils prove predation pre dated the "fall" by millions of years.

  vegetarian lions appeared only with the planting of Eden, much later.

  Predation actually started only after the Deluge, not the "Fall", right?
  
  
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  New method to absolutely date Fall of Jerusalem.

  by waton in

  1. social
  2. current

  for what it is worth to those interested.

  1914.. tel-aviv university.

  "biblical military campaigns reconstructed using geomagnetic field data.

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  waton

  for what it is worth to those interested. 1914.

  Tel-Aviv University. "Biblical military campaigns reconstructed using geomagnetic field data." ScienceDaily. ScienceDaily, 25 October 2022. <www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/10/221024153631.htm>.
  

  "magnetic minerals which, when heated or burned, record the magnetic field at the time of the fire. Thus, in a 2020 study, researchers reconstructed the magnetic field as it was on the 9th of the month of Av, 586 BCE, the Hebrew date of the destruction of the First Temple and the City of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar and his Babylonian army. Now, using archaeo---"
  
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  The question`s GOD beleiver / Creationists ignore or don`t / won`t / can`t answer ?

  by smiddy3 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the common thread of beleivers / creationists of a god creating life is design .. and if something / anything is designed it must have a designer ?.

  however this reasoning is discarded when talking about the existence of god.. and if such a being as god somehow existed without a designer why not all forms of life itself as existing on earth ?.

  coming into existence without a designer ?.

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  waton

  It is an extraordinary claim, that the acclaimed most important messages in the universe***, lay dormant for 30 years in the now proven subjective memory capacity of humans.

  *** the issue of lese majesty, the wt "universal sovereignty" contest