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  Simple Question Re 1914

  by Slidin Fast in

  1. watchtower
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  wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

  and the end times.

  a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

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  waton

  JW scholar, Fisherman,

  the simple truth about 1914, the generation after that date as the anointed, is a late, false concept. because:

  Jesus specified that the generation would pass away after all these things had occurred, but wt insists that the generation of 1914, the anointed, will have to pass to heaven at the outset of all these things, aka The Great Tribulation. further:

  the "chosen ones' " living flesh has to be saved by a shortened GT, but wt now teaches the remains of the immortal ones will be disposed of by angels, (like Jesus'). A short and sweet GT will be immaterial to the departed, except it will cut short their combat training for the battle of A.
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  540

  Simple Question Re 1914

  by Slidin Fast in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

  and the end times.

  a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

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  waton

  the Flood came and swept them all away, so the Parousia of the Son of man will be.

  Fm: there definitely was no deluge as defined in scripture. no ark, so, there is your defining parameter of the Parousia. priceless.
  
  
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  Date of Adam's "Creation?

  by Slidin Fast in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  how do jws resolve these conflicting facts.. 1. no matter how you spin it, bible chronology calculates to circa 4000 bc for adam's creation.

  i followed the trail many years ago and that's what it adds up to.. 2. the most cursory investigation of any branch of relevant science puts man's habitation on the earth as hugely earlier than that.

  it's now so well-proved that anyone disputing it is guilty of wilful ignorance.

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  waton

  the bible becomes totally discredited for a modern guide to truth, when you fill in the details, water rising at 10 meters an hour, for 40 days, covering everest, all animals surviving for 9 month in a rickety wooden box held together by dowels. all endorsed by a perfect, knowledgeable woodworker, the carpenter from galil, alledged co creator of the universe, send to bear witness to the [scientific?] truth.
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  540

  Simple Question Re 1914

  by Slidin Fast in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

  and the end times.

  a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

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  waton

  to mitigate the conditions of their escape

  fisherman, yeah. how about the escape of the anointed ones in Jesus's day, living to the ripe age of 100+, but

  the predicted death of the current anointed wt generation at the outset of the great tribulation. ? passing away before all these things have passed?

  dont give us a pass on that one !! even if wt instructions are not to discuss doctrinal matters.
  
  
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  The JW's greatest dogma...

  by BoogerMan in

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  ....that god almighty/jesus personally selected j.f.

  rutherford & wtbts inc. as a front for worldwide christianity, is an affront to worldwide christians.. the adage, “extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence” was made for such spurious assertions.. as with jw's who claim, "jehovah answered my prayer for......," both claims rely on total credulity, and zero evidence of divine intervention.

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  ...that God Almighty/Jesus personally selected J.F. Rutherford & WTBTS Inc. as a front for worldwide Christianity BM

  based on their performance in the campaign starting in 1918: "the world has ended, Millions now living will never die!", a theme still promoted by wt now.

  proclaimers book, page 426.
  
  
  
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  Question #1 for JW's to offer an explanation

  by BoogerMan in

  1. watchtower
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  the r&f jw's are defined by the wtbts as antitypical "foreigners," and as such, are not participants of the new covenant:.

  wt 98 2/1 p.19, par.

  6 - "further, other sheep lay hold of the new covenant just as foreigners of old laid hold of the law covenant.

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  Please explain why your 'slave' lies about Egypt's foreigners not being participants in the covenant BM

  and how the 12 tribes Israel of Rev 7 are not in the new Covenant, are excluded from the forgiveness of sins now.

  Your slave not only makes the foreigners, but the members of the tribes of the Israel of God non participants, non partakers.

  explain please.
  
  
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  Question #2 for JW's

  by BoogerMan in

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  how could the "two witnesses" mentioned in revelation chapter 11 possibly be j.f.

  rutherford and his companions who got jailed and then released in 1919?.

  w14 11/15 p. 30 - so in the fulfillment of revelation chapter 11, the anointed brothers who took the lead at the time of the establishment of god’s kingdom in heaven in 1914 preached “in sackcloth” for three and a half years.. watchtower november 15, 2014, p. 30 - revelation 11:7 says that it is "the wild beast that ascends out of the abyss" which kills the 'two witnesses'.. since the wild beast of rev.

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  How could the "two witnesses" mentioned in Revelation chapter 11 possibly be J.F. Rutherford and his companions who got jailed and then released in 1919?

  BM: was not the release of the wt administrators from the penitentiary in Atlanta billed by wt doctrine doctors billed as proof that "Babylon the great had fallen", now: "had a fall" ?

  Personal misfortune of wt heavies seem to them always be cosmic shaking events. causing shaking heads instead.

  Carl Sagan about cosmic events:" [wt*] announced the end of the world, but nobody noticed"

  *prominent religion
  
  
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  What sort of people were the JW's who went to prison? Government study tells all

  by Terry in

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  do you feel a draft?

  (jw’s did-in the 1960s)i thought you might find it interesting to review exactly what the u.s. government thought, studied, and wrote about people of conscience during the vietnam war.what follows comes from official records…more than half of the 27 million men eligible for the draft during the vietnam war were deferred, exempted, or disqualified.

  (cortright, david (2008).

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  By Wolfgang Benz

  May 27, 2022, 5:14 p.m

  Jehovah's Witnesses were the only religious community that united and consistently opposed Nazism out of their faith. The Bible Christians numbered about 25,000 souls in Germany at that time. Because they refused the Hitler salute and the oath to the "Führer", military service and any activity in armaments production, the Jehovah's Witnesses, who originally called themselves "Serious Bible Researchers", were banned and persecuted by the Nazi regime, from 1933 in the German Reich , later also in the areas under German rule or German influence.

  Daily mirror plus

  Memorials in Berlin Tiergarten: Jehovah's Witnesses do not refuse to commemorate

  “Bible researchers” were persecuted under National Socialism and put up resistance. A commemorative sign in the capital ( berlin) is still missing. A plea.

  In the current issue of Der Tagesspiegel, not the daily mirror.
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  Question #1 for JW's to offer an explanation

  by BoogerMan in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the r&f jw's are defined by the wtbts as antitypical "foreigners," and as such, are not participants of the new covenant:.

  wt 98 2/1 p.19, par.

  6 - "further, other sheep lay hold of the new covenant just as foreigners of old laid hold of the law covenant.

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  The membership of the New Covenant was and is restrictive as to the quality and quantity of its members or those specially anointed to be of that class of people forming a Spiritual Israel of 144,000. sJW.

  Like many self appointed so called wt scholars, you are confusing the New Covenant with the Kingdom Covenant. just repeating old unfounded stuff.

  all the 12 tribes of Israel were in the Law covenant, only the kings & priests in their separate covenants. similarly

  all of the 12 tribes (of Rev 7, the Israel of God ) are in the new covenant, The 144 000 of 7, 14, are in the special, kingdom and priestly covenant.

  All of Israel of old partook, all the 12 tribes should partake. not just those that were sealed out of them. John 6.
  
  
  
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  Question #1 for JW's to offer an explanation

  by BoogerMan in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the r&f jw's are defined by the wtbts as antitypical "foreigners," and as such, are not participants of the new covenant:.

  wt 98 2/1 p.19, par.

  6 - "further, other sheep lay hold of the new covenant just as foreigners of old laid hold of the law covenant.

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  waton

  The New Covenant was a more intimate or restrictive arrangement

  scholar jw : that is made up wt bunk.

  According to Jeremiah, the new covenant is not more restrictive but broader, no chapter and verses, just forgiveness of sin. for all comers. Christ came to buy back that was lost, for all.

  The other sheep are Cornelius et al, and the twelve tribes of Rev 7.

  The new covenant clears away sin for human perfection to happen again. The "anointed" partakers, sacrifice that right to earthly life in order to aspire for the upward calling, just as Jesus, the "Second Adam" did. only

  to rule with Christ for a thousand years to have to die a martyr's death, with the axe, not sedated in hospice.

  100 of 1000 nds to choose from since Stephen.