Posts by waton

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Jesus, without sin and a perfect human being ?

by smiddy3 in

how could he be, regardless of how god impregnated mary, as she was a sinful human just like the rest of us according to the bible.. mary was subjected to the adamic sin like all other humans, so jesus had to at least be part sinner himself.. to believe otherwise is just deluding oneself imho .. the only way jesus could have been really without sin is if god created him the same way he created adam.. what do you think ?

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waton

Why not get straight to the point and just make Jesus free of original sin? It's just not logical!

Ds: right, why not even invoke the principle, during the original sin phrase, that the children should not pay for other's (their parent's) sins?.

why not step in, for example and delay the first seductions ( I assume that Eve was very persuasive too, having good assets to back up her offers) until the first conceptions* were viable, and genetic damage would be limited to the original offenders? * I envision Eve having perfect sextuples after perfect sex, giving the same diversity we see since the mythological deluge. 3 procreating couples.

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Homless in Seattle raping and assulting people, the dems don't care.

by mickbobcat in

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/democrats-seattle-homeless-resident-homicide-attempted-rape-jason-rantz.

waton

Because of policies that make housing more expensive!

S:right! immigration, tax policies, fat pensions for the entitled. profiteering in speculation. -- In many cities, even a low ranking professional, earning near 40.- and taxed***, an hour can alone not muster house ownership with values near 1 000 000.- and climbing out of reach.

with more people and more dollars chasing the limited resources, it is going to get worse.

*** profits on house flipping hidden by sham ownership in Canada are not taxed.

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Deuteronomy 23:1 funny verse

by neat blue dog in

i'm surprised i only noticed this just now, deuteronomy 23:1:.

"no man who has been castrated by having his testicles crushed or who has had his male organ cut off may come...".

🤣.

waton

Losing the organ causes massive blood loss and often death.

rtn: not if the crushing is done with white hot rocks, cauterizing the veins opened by the crushing burn. If eunuchs were allowed to serve in the temple, ladies that saw possibilities with the likes of the sons of Eli, would be dis- appointed.

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Jesus, without sin and a perfect human being ?

by smiddy3 in

how could he be, regardless of how god impregnated mary, as she was a sinful human just like the rest of us according to the bible.. mary was subjected to the adamic sin like all other humans, so jesus had to at least be part sinner himself.. to believe otherwise is just deluding oneself imho .. the only way jesus could have been really without sin is if god created him the same way he created adam.. what do you think ?

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waton

I have it on good read, that the supernatural, if any, has a capital J in it. but

I would think that to mean Joseph, a story with no metaphysical, 'beyond -natural-laws' happenings in it.

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Optimum human Order, the Olympics

by waton in

anybody watching the olympics here?

bodies perfected, minds steeled against pain?

amazing performances in sailing, running, jumping, throwing.

waton

Anybody watching the olympics here? Bodies perfected, minds steeled against pain?

Amazing performances in sailing, running, jumping, throwing. Had a funny experience today:

after a night of watching Roger Bannister's look alikes doing the 200, 400, 5000 mts, , the pole vault, visually the supposed post -armageddon normal,

I had to visit an office, and was shocked by the consistent contrast in appearance of the able help, fully filling all the chairs, to what I had seen all night. Then it dawned on me, I had seen them too, --- during the hammer throw.

thank you for the minus signs. but really,

what is your take on this expression of near adamic / evic perfect, human peak performance?

ps: games are serious matter, Brazil and Mexico soccer teams nearly coming to blows.

Understandable, perhaps these were boys, that had rising from unimaginable poverty to be at the pinnacle and are now challenged in their further climb.

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Splane's "Apostate" talk transcript

by FFGhost in

jw
friends

for any who can't (like me) muster the masochism necessary to sit through an 18-or-so hour commentary on a 30 minute talk from a certain famous/infamous commentator, here is a link to a transcript from splane's saturday afternoon "apostate" talk:.

https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/ot7z2e/splanes_apostate_rant_transcription/.

there are many topics worthy of consideration, but this particular section really stood out to me:.

waton

Splane's talk just tells me that they are monitoring this site as well as Reddit and whatever other forums there are.

HD, yes, and the issues are not about scandals but doctrines. because all organisations have the pedophile component, even the boy scouts. so it comes down to doctrines, and they have conceded, no contest.

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Jesus, without sin and a perfect human being ?

by smiddy3 in

how could he be, regardless of how god impregnated mary, as she was a sinful human just like the rest of us according to the bible.. mary was subjected to the adamic sin like all other humans, so jesus had to at least be part sinner himself.. to believe otherwise is just deluding oneself imho .. the only way jesus could have been really without sin is if god created him the same way he created adam.. what do you think ?

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waton

I see a certain parallel with Eve being the big first stepper in the right/wrong direction, but as far justice is concerned, she, or her act was not held against us. now,

if Mary died a martyr's death to, we are covered on mother's side too. if

there ever was a talking snake, not just a story.

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Splane's "Apostate" talk transcript

by FFGhost in

jw
friends

for any who can't (like me) muster the masochism necessary to sit through an 18-or-so hour commentary on a 30 minute talk from a certain famous/infamous commentator, here is a link to a transcript from splane's saturday afternoon "apostate" talk:.

https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/ot7z2e/splanes_apostate_rant_transcription/.

there are many topics worthy of consideration, but this particular section really stood out to me:.

waton

FG: thanks for the link. as to

the " kind words " DS and co know their peers, and want to brand them as motivated by only temporarily emotionally pent up, personal issues. , . They previously mentioned "lingering issues". so, they recognize that they would fail in an open debate on them. are appealing to those with these recognized beefs to not knock the 'sheep that are led to the slaughter' out of their comfort zone.

In effect he concedes a looning defeat in the debates, knows that threats will not stop them. he did not make any, this time around.

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David Splane's apostate warning convention talk

by neat blue dog in

i know this recent video has been talked about already but i just watched it and here are a few things that got me annoyed as usual:.

splane says that if a bible student says he saw some negative information from apostates and asks us to explain it, we shouldn't look at it or address anything specifically, but instead we should tell them to go to meetings and hear what we have to say about ourselves and also tell them to befriend people at the hall.

for any person with integrity and/or intelligence, this is not a satisfactory answer.

waton

rm: right, like the Mormons also realized, DS mentioned how damaging it is when well meaning, knowledgeable insiders point out these flaws. Virulent opposers are not the only ones laying bare the truth , veritablement.

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David Splane's apostate warning convention talk

by neat blue dog in

i know this recent video has been talked about already but i just watched it and here are a few things that got me annoyed as usual:.

splane says that if a bible student says he saw some negative information from apostates and asks us to explain it, we shouldn't look at it or address anything specifically, but instead we should tell them to go to meetings and hear what we have to say about ourselves and also tell them to befriend people at the hall.

for any person with integrity and/or intelligence, this is not a satisfactory answer.

waton

David Splane identifies the key concern of Wallkill or is it Warwick. when in the outset he identifies the bull's eye of "Satan's attack" as the "structure of Jehovah's organisation"

"Satan", being only the first of the straw men situations he sets up to restrict the scope of the arguments.

Not a peep about the doctrinal failures, expect a brief reference to "Noah's Ark" not the ~ 10 km of additional water present ~ 2021 years before Christ , covering Everest.

On the report of children dying, he failed to mention that wt itself published a special issue about young ones that lost their lives because of the blood issue.

DS: " This is war" declaring it officially. reminds me, how in the 1930, 40s in Europe, heavy penalties were meted out to anybody listening to BBC, so as to find an alternative story. Ideally, wt wants all jws to have only 'volksempfängers', I guess; Mercifully Splane did not threaten dissidents with death at Armageddon or shunning now. finally

appeal to emotions,

Good text about wisdom in walking with the wise ones though:

making you wise to the wiles of wt speakers, wise to the errors, hopelessness inherent in the ever changing wt teachings, the unfulfilled, unfulfillable wt promises.