Posts by waton

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Eternity...with or without Jehovah?

by Salamanda in

do jw's believe that when they finally make it to the paradise earth, that jehovah will continue to dwell in heaven?

basically, that they will not get to be with jehovah forever?

if this is the case, does this bother faithful jws?.

waton

S welcome here. One ides that wt has of "heaven" is spelled out in the current weekly study of the "restore worship" book; The chariot, with Holy spirit suspension. a magical world with 6 winged, 4 faced angels.

Most jws do not believe they will ever enter there. only 12 dozen thousands will go close to Jesus, and then even higher to the father.

Personally, it is anyone's guess what the details are for a domain before creation, where we are certain that only uncreated energy and endless time existed. energytime in timespace.

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Where is the school for the 144,000?

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

the watchtower has many schools to teach their members on how to become more effective in various assignments in jehovah's organization.

they are trained to strengthen and help the congregations and branches around the world.

here is a list of some of the schools the society run:.

waton

If understood that way, the 144,000 are martyrs (Rev 6:11). Which, by implication, means that none of the GB, past or present, are of that group.

good point Bc. to hammer that home, Rev 20:3 stipulates that those that rule with Christ are killed by the axe.

no morphine-soothed drifting off in brooklyn or warwick. No higher calling for past presidents either.

the first will be last.

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JW living on Military Bases?

by Iamallcool in

jw
friends

i just read that civilians can live on military bases.

i was wondering can jw live there and still be in a good standing?

.

waton

I once gave a "public talk" on a remote Dew line (Norad) base, that a jw spouse had advertised to be held at her home.

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The Trolley Problem

by Simon in

jw
friends

so you've probably heard of the ethical dilemma question which is a thought-experiment where you imagine there is a runaway train-trolley, a junction with a lever that you can pull and two tracks - one with 5 workers on it and another with just 1, but no way to warn them.. all you can do is pull the lever, or not, thus allowing 5 people to die or through your direct action sacrificing 1 to save them.. what should you do?.

this sort of thing may seem silly but it comes up in real life.

should a self-driving car for instance, faced with a certain collision, chose which pedestrians to run over?

waton

Rm 123. Yes in a case like that it not time for philosophizing, hand wringing. open the gap in the rails. better yet if the trolley was full of women and children on the way to Auschwitz, letting them disperse into the woods.

I wonder why it was called a -----witz,

The french resistance was very good at that procedure bsw.

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Have JEHOVAH ever supported WARS between his WORSHIPPERS?

by Longlivetherenegades in

jehovah's witnesses used to state other christian denominations go to war and in fact that their religious leaders bless such wars.

they see this as one reason why all other christian denominations are not true christians since they kill one another at war and therefore they don't love one another as stated by jesus in john 13: 34,35.. for example when a roman catholic go to war, he/she is bound to kill a fellow roman catholic in the cause of the war.

therefore roman catholic can't be true christians since its member don't love one another and kill one another at war and as such god cannot be in support of such wars where his worshippers kill one another.. the question that comes for consideration is, has jehovah ever supported wars between his own worshippers?.

waton

here is my take on the moral of the [exaggerated] story.

Having been witness to events like that, and having actually lost a close relative as a result of mass rapes: -----

I if your relatives commit crimes like that, if you raised such a criminal if you did not stop crimes in your midst like that, you bear co-responsibility

2. if you were not prompt to eliminate these enemies that hurt woman like that .

you deserve to be eliminated. period.

if that can be done by you all killing yourself, so much the better. have a civil war over an uncivilized crime.

bible author: thank you for not having to dirty my hands by touching you untouchables.

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The Trolley Problem

by Simon in

jw
friends

so you've probably heard of the ethical dilemma question which is a thought-experiment where you imagine there is a runaway train-trolley, a junction with a lever that you can pull and two tracks - one with 5 workers on it and another with just 1, but no way to warn them.. all you can do is pull the lever, or not, thus allowing 5 people to die or through your direct action sacrificing 1 to save them.. what should you do?.

this sort of thing may seem silly but it comes up in real life.

should a self-driving car for instance, faced with a certain collision, chose which pedestrians to run over?

waton

my solution would be to jam the switch half open, the lever ( as I remember them from the 1930s, , were heavily weighted. you would have to hold them in the up, half open position, otherwise they would fall to either left or right).

that way, the rails jammed, , the trolley would derail, missing the six, letting all live.

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Who Is To Blame For the World's Insanity? Not The Leaders But Their Followers

by The Bethelite in

jw
friends

there are 1000's of wacked out ideas on the planet.. a crazy little man with a mustache in a beer hall in munich germany in 1923 had some crazy ideas for sure....he starting with a dozen people who thought his insanity was a good idea.

in just 22 years his insanity effected the entire world with millions dead.

he duped 95 million germans alone...who thought his insanity was a good idea.. another crazy little man with a beard, started in the basement of a church in pennsylvania in the1870's.

waton

The crazy little man with the mustache in the bierkeller promised to solve a problem of the other beer drinkers, living in a depressed country. one way or another.

The bearded man in the Pennsylvania basement promised to end the long wait for the messiah's return, or the problem of one's death. or both.

The big man with ample blond hair promised to the workers in the US with their bargain basement wages, a relief from competition by highly intelligent asian and motivated latino immigrants, and their cultural influence, one way or another.

Interest groups have a way of asserting themselves, often condensing around a leader that shows up.

safety sometimes depends on the distance you can keep from such concentrations. and their camps or campuses.

PS: I did not see this was about books. how about Mein Krampf or Das Kapital? all hirsute writers too.

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If only someone had kicked my a$$.. (This is post is not for theists)

by HowTheBibleWasCreated in

i think back on the 30+ years of bs as well as my fading almost a decade and even now being low key in person to hopefully save my nieces from the wt.

i'm a wreck in some ways.

i'm other days i'm stable however when it comes to theism i depart quickly and with anger!

waton

htbwc: are you not extending your discomfort by trying to work out how the bible was written? after all those that were supposed to influence you too, had bible based beliefs, just different than wt's.

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Why does God need to be worshipped?

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

the bible exhorts us to “worship the one who made the heaven and the earth and sea and fountains of waters.”—deuteronomy 4:24; revelation 14:7.. insight on the scriptures, volume 2 pp 1200-1202. worshipone of the hebrew words conveying the idea of worship (ʽa·vadhʹ) basically means “serve.” (ge 14:4; 15:13; 29:15) serving or worshiping jehovah required obedience to all of his commands, doing his will as a person exclusively devoted to him.

(ex 19:5; de 30:15-20; jos 24:14, 15) therefore, for an individual to engage in any ritual or act of devotion toward any other gods signified his abandoning true worship.—de 11:13-17; jg 3:6, 7.another hebrew term that can denote worship is hish·ta·chawahʹ, which primarily means “bow down” (ge 18:2), or do obeisance.

(see obeisance.

waton

R R right. the scriptures paint a caricature of a being that would be responsible for setting up the known universe, not to think of the unknown.

writing is to serve the writers.

how do you dare to withhold all you vowed, when keeping a portion will kill you?

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Why does God need to be worshipped?

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

the bible exhorts us to “worship the one who made the heaven and the earth and sea and fountains of waters.”—deuteronomy 4:24; revelation 14:7.. insight on the scriptures, volume 2 pp 1200-1202. worshipone of the hebrew words conveying the idea of worship (ʽa·vadhʹ) basically means “serve.” (ge 14:4; 15:13; 29:15) serving or worshiping jehovah required obedience to all of his commands, doing his will as a person exclusively devoted to him.

(ex 19:5; de 30:15-20; jos 24:14, 15) therefore, for an individual to engage in any ritual or act of devotion toward any other gods signified his abandoning true worship.—de 11:13-17; jg 3:6, 7.another hebrew term that can denote worship is hish·ta·chawahʹ, which primarily means “bow down” (ge 18:2), or do obeisance.

(see obeisance.

waton

worship fills a human need. It is a human invention. Cain & Abel were not commanded to worship.

we know our end is unavoidable, we want to fill that present and coming void. with presents.