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  Jesus Christ was anti-family

  by deegee in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  strong family ties & family values did not matter to jesus:.

  - a person must hate his or her family and themselves in order to be jesus’ disciple (matthew 10:37; luke 14:26).

  - jesus will give a big reward to those who forsake their family, abandon their home, leave their family behind for him.

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  waton

  I hope you are being ironic! cofti

  one can not take any of this stuff seriously. reply to a fool according to his foolishness?
  
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  Jesus Christ was anti-family

  by deegee in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  strong family ties & family values did not matter to jesus:.

  - a person must hate his or her family and themselves in order to be jesus’ disciple (matthew 10:37; luke 14:26).

  - jesus will give a big reward to those who forsake their family, abandon their home, leave their family behind for him.

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  waton

  Those scriptures legitimise the "Pioneer, sacrifice all for wt" propaganda in almost every wt "study". are we not glad there are mitigating scriptures like Paul's " Wives, be obedient to your husbandly owners" ?
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  Christian Times: Jehovah's Witnesses consider European court appeal after Russian Supreme Court upholds ban on sect

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.christiantimes.com/article/jehovahs-witnesses-consider-european-court-appeal-after-russian-supreme-court-upholds-ban-on-sect/72529.htm.

  july 19, 2017the jehovah's witnesses expressed its plans to appeal to the european court of human rights in strasbourg after the russian supreme court upheld a ruling that banned the sect and declared it as an "extremist" organization.

  "we plan to appeal this at the european court of human rights as soon as we can.

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  waton

  It is a replay of the Canada / Quebec situation, where strong arm tactics within a sympathetic population, was overruled by a more liberally minded larger entity. and

  The European Union is liberally minded, bent on destroying itself. Will Russia mount a defence , using all the ammunition that The RC in Australia and revealing sources about WBTS Inc. practises could provide? Poor JWs caught in the middle do not deserve this hassle. Lives being destroyed while many JW profiteers prosper.
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  Did Jesus pre exist? Yes or no?

  by UnshackleTheChains in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  when i first became a witness, i always found the teaching about jesus being the arch angel michael hard to swallow.

  i did however believe that jesus pre existed as a master worker alongside god (the first of his creation).. but now everything is brought into question having watched anthony buzzard explain why jesus could not have pre existed as it is impossible to pre exist yourself.

  also the fact that it all sounds contradictory to suggest, he was already alive millions of years before he was transferred to mary's womb to be born as a human - the son of man?.

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  waton

  If the biographical Jesus, walking on water, resurrecting 12 year old young ladies by laying on top of them is real, it is only a small step to extend the fantasy into the distant past. He must have been watching while the snake talked, water lapped over Mt Everest, Satan showed him all the kingdoms on a flat Earth. The near eternal, invisible part is easy.
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  Do I have to believe in Jesus to be saved?

  by unsure in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  do i have to believe in jesus to be saved?.

  i was raised as a jehovah's witness.

  i was born in.

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  waton

  if a certain religion is true, why is it not like gravity described above?

  unsure: gravity is always attractive, but many members here have found aspects of the WTBTS inc setup really repulsive
  
  
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  Russian Ban upheld - JWs lose appeal

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the supreme court of russia has rejected the jehovah's witnesses' appeal.. https://jw-russia.org/news/17071719-195.html.

  july 17, 2017 the supreme court of russia has missed the last chance to restore law and justice for the 175,000 russian citizens professing the religion of jehovah's witnesses.

  it took less than an hour of the meeting a panel of three supreme court judges, to leave unchanged the decision taken earlier by the judge yuri ivanenko, the liquidation and ban any and all registered organizations of the religion.since there is no more effective domestic remedies, the believers will appeal to the european court of human rights and other international organizations.. *note: as reported by the jworg source, jw-russia.org.

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  waton

  Coincidence: 7 earthquakes 7.4 in Russia today. Fisherman

  bible inspired writing style seems still to be with us today, Russian News had one quake, in the Pacific off Kamchatka Peninsula, on the 17st. now, to make that a biblical seven for vengeance, add 6, unless you count the seven in 17,

  One slip like that can sink your credibility, but then, fishermen are known for their "fish' stories, the big ones that got away. Zeal, wishful thinking, carried you away?

  ps: appeals to European human rights courts coming perhaps, now more quakes ? or quacks?
  
  
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  Where is the proof?

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  we all know that the governing body claim to be "god's representatives" and the "faithful and discreet slave" that dispenses spiritual food..... but where is the proof?.

  according to the bible (if we just for a moment take it as a reliable source), all of god's representatives in the past furnished proof of their appointment - not just self referential claims or statements.. for instance, moses and aaron performed miracles before pharaoh (such as the snake staffs.).

  other prophets performed signs and miracles such as making the sun stand still, healing sick people, making walls fall down, etc etc.... even jesus performed miracles as proof of his divine appointment!.

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  waton

  And the claim that they have "love amongst themselves"...

  siar2: themselves refers only to their narrow clique in, not the whole congregation, not extended to ethnics, newcomers.
  
  
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  Warning: A. Vogel (JW-run organization) treatments popping up in the US

  by Anony Mous in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  i've noticed a few of my local grocery stores are stocking a. vogel homeopathy products.

  a. vogel is a company ran primarily by jehovah's witnesses, the "brains" behind the operation, alfred vogel, has since died but he claimed to be one of the anointed.

  the bolle family (co-founders of the company) is a well-known, (now very wealthy) family in the netherlands and there have been significant "contributions" in the past from the company to the watchtower organization.. alfred vogel was a well-known conman, he claimed blood transfusions would change someone's personality, he claimed to have studied native american herbal healing methods... from a native american tourist photo-op actor.

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  waton

  Was not one of these operations in the 50, 60, 70, based in Montreal, Canada? then taken over by a bigger player? generosity to wt work[ers] is right.
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  Why Are More JWs Claiming to be Anointed?

  by Ding in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  most jws i know claim they are happy being in the great crowd.

  they'd rather live on a paradise earth and pet lions than go to heaven.. heaven is a place they can't relate to, a place where they don't expect their friends and loved ones to be.. so why are more and more jws claiming to be of the anointed?.

  aren't they looked down upon as if they are crazy, proud, ignorant, or engaging in apostate thinking?.

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  waton

  "religion" is being trance-formed but what can it do? Very interesting times indeed!

  Old Navy: interesting news. you must mean tranche- formed, from french: "tranche' "to cut, a tranche, a piece of a pie or bread.

  Do they all accept the talking snake?
  
  
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  Russian Ban upheld - JWs lose appeal

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the supreme court of russia has rejected the jehovah's witnesses' appeal.. https://jw-russia.org/news/17071719-195.html.

  july 17, 2017 the supreme court of russia has missed the last chance to restore law and justice for the 175,000 russian citizens professing the religion of jehovah's witnesses.

  it took less than an hour of the meeting a panel of three supreme court judges, to leave unchanged the decision taken earlier by the judge yuri ivanenko, the liquidation and ban any and all registered organizations of the religion.since there is no more effective domestic remedies, the believers will appeal to the european court of human rights and other international organizations.. *note: as reported by the jworg source, jw-russia.org.

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  waton

  Coincidence: 7 earthquakes 7.4 in Russia today Fm:

  7.4 must be on the Richter scale. against the Richter (Judge in german)