good illustration Simon, but wt has it's [spirit appointed] commanders, if you try to take the lead, while you think there is a lapse in their command (like their grasp of scriptures)' the appointed leaders will try you for treason.
Posts by waton
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11"Taking the "Lead" vs. "Leader"
by sir82 inthe wt articles for the past 2 weeks were the typical every-3-months-or-so attempt at justifying the sovereignty of the jw popes, the governing body.. aside from the usual specious reasoning and ridiculous assertions, i noted this:.
the articles went through great semantic pains to emphasize that, for the jws, jesus is "the leader", while the gb are merely "those taking the lead".. what, exactly, is the difference between a "leader" vs. "one who is taking the lead"?.
in what other sphere of human experience is such semantic pretzel logic even close to rational?.
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Today's W.T on GB not being inspired is having ZERO impact on most J.W's
by Isambard Crater inthe congregation i attend had it's watchtower study on thursday night because of l.d.c work this week-end, and another congregation i have some not very spiritual friends in had their watchtower study on wednesday.
from what i have delicately prised out of people, the congregations loved the watchtower study this week, saying it was so encouraging and all the usual stuff, with no-one seeming to realise the g.b.
said they're not inspired, so the spirit int he past has moved them to teach wrong things, and all the other ideas excellently summed up on reddit.. today's watchtower will wash over the heads of most j.w's like it never even happened, the all remaining as loyal as ever, and it makes me so, so sad..
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waton
and he skips over the entire first half of the paragraph. He didn't say anything about the GB being infallible. He spent like 30 seconds on the paragraph
This the shame, hypocrisy of the wt leadership. GB, Zone, branch. hiding even the watered down version of the truth. If you did not know about Paragraph 12, you would never know it even existed, from that talk. Zone approved. A dutch treat.
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Governing Body-Part of Great Crowd
by TakeOffTheCrown init appears that the governing body members today are part of the great crowd and are not of the anointed.. to those with some knowledge of the subject, is it possible that the christian congregation would eventually be lead by those who are not anointed?
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waton
no one goes to heaven, no one gets resurrected, no one lives forever on a paradise earth,
jb, proof of that still has to be delivered, but the wt fallacies are here right now, poof that wt writings are scripturally wrong,
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Governing Body-Part of Great Crowd
by TakeOffTheCrown init appears that the governing body members today are part of the great crowd and are not of the anointed.. to those with some knowledge of the subject, is it possible that the christian congregation would eventually be lead by those who are not anointed?
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waton
The current GB members are all part of the "third generation" -wrong. not that good.
It is 25 years that F. Franz died, admittedly not the oldest anointed to do so. A zealot like him, living then, baptized & anointed at 17, would be 42 years old now. part of the second group. At age 100, she would die in 2075 , yes she, because
it is overlapping partakers not GB part takers at conventions that make up the generation.
the second group is in full swing. A third group would give us 2125, not bad either, .
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"jesus never said the spiritual food would be perfect"
by nowwhat? inoh so it's jesus fault the spiritual food hasn't been perfect!
we your governing body are just responsible for serving it!
think about this people, they are saying it was jesus who told us the end was going to come in 1975. then before the 1914 generation passed away no later than the 1990's.
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waton
J.F. Rutherford changed this in 1927to apply only to the members of the "new creation," the anointed. "Some members of the new creation will be on the earth at the time of Armageddon." (W27, 2/15, p 62)
Then in 2008, we were told: "As a class, these anointed ones make up the modern-day 'generation' of contemporaries that will not pass away 'until all these things occur.'" (W08, 2/15, p 23-25)
This explanation was a return to the one offered in 1927, which had already been discredited.AM: consider this:
Armageddon, the GT is part of "all these things."
Wt did not return to the w27 teaching. they hold now that the New Creation, the Anointed Generation, will die before the Great Tribulation, Armageddon.
Contradicting Jesus, who's whole point of timing was, that the generation would survive "all these things", the End.
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Why did Jesus need to experience a human childhood?
by HB ini've never been a jw and haven't ever studied the bible or theology so it may be that there is a simple answer to my question that i'm not aware of, in which case, please forgive my ignorance.
however i have wondered about this for quite some time and have scoured the internet but i can't find any mention of the topic.
maybe someone here might enlighten me.
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waton
The bible, like other mythologies, depicts a fascination of the supposed spirit world with the young female humans, their connections producing demi gods almost invulnerable, Baldur: shoulder, the Achilles heel, Jesus. everlasting earthly life, angelically protected.
why would the childish Jesus story be different, it had credibility added by the earlier versions.
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"jesus never said the spiritual food would be perfect"
by nowwhat? inoh so it's jesus fault the spiritual food hasn't been perfect!
we your governing body are just responsible for serving it!
think about this people, they are saying it was jesus who told us the end was going to come in 1975. then before the 1914 generation passed away no later than the 1990's.
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waton
Jesus did not say "perfect food" , but said "food on time" The wt's greatest debacles are it's total failure in the timing of it's pronouncements. 1914, "Millions now living--" 1925, 1975, overlapping, soon, imminent . Their father is supposed to have put time in his jurisdiction?
Food, not only imperfect, but contradicting the one characteristic that Jesus defined as marking it as coming from the approved F&DS: time.
Follow time and the claimed FDS can not be the one of 1919.
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Governing Body-Part of Great Crowd
by TakeOffTheCrown init appears that the governing body members today are part of the great crowd and are not of the anointed.. to those with some knowledge of the subject, is it possible that the christian congregation would eventually be lead by those who are not anointed?
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waton
The anointed generation thing is collapsed already because D. Splane charted their course to heaven to be at the start of the GT, thus contradicting Jesus, who promised the last generation to see "all these things".
The Anointed Generation is an ill conceived, stillborn unscriptural concept,
as to the overlapping thing , laughable as it is, D.Splane left the escape clause, that there surely are older Partakers than the GB members., who outlived Franz and might have been overlapped by the currently living 15 000 partakers, who, with an improved life expectancy bring us easily to 2075.
It is not an overlapping GB, but overlapping groups in a generation of partakers,
pity the sheep, , with a GC Governing Body overseeing seven years of marking carcasses, their burial.
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Governing Body-Part of Great Crowd
by TakeOffTheCrown init appears that the governing body members today are part of the great crowd and are not of the anointed.. to those with some knowledge of the subject, is it possible that the christian congregation would eventually be lead by those who are not anointed?
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waton
SGoE: Shortly before the GT they will be taken to heaven for their reward along with all others of the anointed. After that there will only be OS/GC left on earth. so:
The great crowd is really the generation that Jesus was speaking about when he said the the generation would not pass away until all these things, ( GT, Armageddon Judgement of goats) has happened. and,
while, according to this wt theory, the anointed GB can not be of the GC, it definitely is not the generation, --save yourself the overlap.
unless of course the GC really ends up in the heavy heavenly temple, Naos.
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Governing Body-Part of Great Crowd
by TakeOffTheCrown init appears that the governing body members today are part of the great crowd and are not of the anointed.. to those with some knowledge of the subject, is it possible that the christian congregation would eventually be lead by those who are not anointed?
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waton
so, according to wt. the bodies of the last anointed (called to heaven ) will be disposed off by angels, like the Jesus episode. will we ever know wether they will die because of judgment als part of the false prophet? and then the Other Sheep Governing Body will take over? the very ones that were writing, filling in, all that weird stuff about overlapping? bonne chance.
