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  Special Video tie-in this week in Australia? Saturday April1st. A GB Speaker?

  by stuckinarut2 in

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  i have been told that there is to be a special talk linked via video hook up all around australia this saturday april 1st?

  a 3 hour program apparently?.

  someone said it was a governing body speaker?.

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  I'm having a coffee with one of my old elders tomorrow - I'll ask him!
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  Heb 10:34 & the Russian Situation

  by doubtfull1799 in

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  as would be expected we've seen a lot of the "persecution" scriptures bandied about recently in connection with the likely imminent ban on the org in russia.

  they like to claim that being targets of persecution they are seeing the fulfilment of those verses.

  but they conveniently ignore what the bible teaches about how christians should respond to said prophesied persecution.... for example, no one is referencing the above verse which talks of the apostles "joyfully accepting the plundering of their belongings.

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  As would be expected we've seen a lot of the "persecution" scriptures bandied about recently in connection with the likely imminent ban on the org in Russia. They like to claim that being targets of persecution they are seeing the fulfilment of those verses. But they conveniently ignore what the Bible teaches about how Christians should respond to said prophesied persecution...

  For example, no one is referencing the above verse which talks of the apostles "joyfully accepting the plundering of their belongings." If the brothers were to follow that apostolic example they wouldn't be writing protest letters, right? They wouldn't care about the liquidation of their branch office or kingdom hall assets, knowing they have a more valuable "spiritual" asset in their relationship with Jehovah, something the Govt can't liquidate! They would accept those physical losses happily, like the apostles did. No doubt when the apostles had their assets plundered that was done illegally or unjustly too, but they did not protest it.

  
  They like to quote Paul because he "appealed to Caesar," yet Paul is not supposed to be the model for Christians, Christ is. Did Christ "appeal to caesar" when under trial, when he was being persecuted? No. It was in that circumstance he made his famous statement of neutrality that "his kingdom was no part of the world," and he would not recognise or appeal to the authority of human governments to appease his suffering. He told Peter to put away his sword when Peter tried to defend Jesus from the injustice of his arrest, would he have endorsed Peter writing letters instead? No, of course not, because this was all happening under God's plan, it had to happen for God's will to be done, so it was not to be opposed by the pen or the sword.
  
  
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  Memorial Non-Attendance: The Single Most Impactful TTATT Witness to JW Friends & Family

  by AMNESIANO in

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  (original version posted 2014).

  notice: the following is submitted in full recognition of and with compassion and due respect for those who, due to personal circumstance, feel they are unable to employ this powerful strategy.. ---.

  anyone who has awakened to ttatt and has conscientiously left the organization--especially a once-prominent, highly-regarded, studious true-believer from a celebrated multi-generational tribe of jws-- after decades of devout, high-profile "serve-us," who continues to put in an annual appearance at the memorial thoroughly subverts and undermines, by this one act, any hope s/he may entertain that his/her departure will stir family or former friends to question the whole watchtower bamboozle.

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  "Nothing blasts a louder, clearer, and more deliberate message to the JWs who personally knew you and to those familiar with your JW bona fides that you are not merely "not making the meetings," "inactive," or "spiritually-weak," but that there is a conscientious reason you have rejected the entire Watchtower Society life

  Excellent point. I was exactly one of these:

  once-prominent, highly-regarded, studious true-believer from a celebrated multi-generational tribe of JWs

  Was getting very nervous about the upcoming memorial which I will miss for the first time. You have given me encouragement to follow through with my conviction not to go and compromise in that way. Thank you!

  
  

  you squander your prize opportunity to nudge thinking ones to seriously ponder the possible reason for your shocking departure

  
  

  Yep, hoping it will have that effect.
  
  
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  Watchtowers Real Estate Website...www.watchtowerbrooklynrealestate.com/

  by NikL in

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  is this for real?.

  https://www.watchtowerbrooklynrealestate.com/.

  apologies if this has been brought up before..

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  Note this little disclaimer at the bottom of the home page:

  "These facts, including but not limited to the text, graphics, and data, were prepared based on information available to Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc. (“Watchtower”) at the time it was prepared. However, Watchtower makes no representation or warranty as to the accuracy or reliability of the information herein for any purpose, including projecting future use. Anyone using this information must independently verify the facts and statements contained herein."

  Funny how they make no warranty as to the facts, and encourage independent verification of their "facts" when it comes to real estate, but they don't encourage independent verification when it comes to more important matters - when they publish so called "spiritual facts"
  
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  Pretend to support Critical Thinking, but forbid it when directed toward the "leadership"

  by doubtfull1799 in

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  this from the latest watchtower article on propaganda:.

  "keep in mind that satan does not want you to think clearly or reason things out well.

  because propaganda “is likely to be most effective,” says one source, “if peo- ple .

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  @James Jack - thank you :-)
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  Two (circumstantial) lines of evidence for the real motivation behind the Russian lobbying?

  by doubtfull1799 in

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  1. in bro sandersons latest video (in which he shows a very impressive skill with russian) he mentions two likely results of the imminent russian ban: the liquidation of the branch office and its assets, and the individual brothers capacity to worship freely.

  no prizes for guessing which one gets mentioned first!.

  2. why have the gb never attempted in the past, and are not interested in attempting now, such a letter writing campaign in other communist countries where the work is under similar restrictions, like china, or vietnam?

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  1. In Bro Sandersons latest video (in which he shows a very impressive skill with Russian) he mentions two likely results of the imminent Russian ban: The liquidation of the branch office and its assets, and the individual brothers capacity to worship freely. No prizes for guessing which one gets mentioned first!

  2. Why have the GB never attempted in the past, and are not interested in attempting now, such a letter writing campaign in other communist countries where the work is under similar restrictions, like China, or Vietnam? Could it be because we have no assets in those countries? Nothing to lose?
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  Pretend to support Critical Thinking, but forbid it when directed toward the "leadership"

  by doubtfull1799 in

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  this from the latest watchtower article on propaganda:.

  "keep in mind that satan does not want you to think clearly or reason things out well.

  because propaganda “is likely to be most effective,” says one source, “if peo- ple .

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  @stuckinarut - yep, I don't know, it baffles the mind. I guess we never saw it when we were "in" either. I think it is a combination of 1. Very good indoctrination, 2. Not having good college education in critical thinking skills, and 3. Being able to forget what you read a minute ago that contradicts what you are reading right now.
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  Pretend to support Critical Thinking, but forbid it when directed toward the "leadership"

  by doubtfull1799 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this from the latest watchtower article on propaganda:.

  "keep in mind that satan does not want you to think clearly or reason things out well.

  because propaganda “is likely to be most effective,” says one source, “if peo- ple .

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  @jwfacts - July 2017 study edition, article: Winning the battle for your mind.
  btw, thanks for your excellent resource Paul. An amazing amount of work you've put into that.
  Your fellow Aussie
  
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  Those married to "still in" JWs

  by NikL in

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  kind of got into it with my jw wife last night for the first time in a long time.. i try to not engage in conversations about doctrinal matters unless she asks me which she did.. anyway, i wont go into details but of course i am "not going to change her mind" and "why is it that you can't see when very smart people can?

  " yada yada yada.

  you probably can imagine.. it makes me so depressed.

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  Really feel for you, especially considering how long it has been for you. I'm going through the same thing, but its only been a year, still raw and fresh, currently in a "truce."

  pm me if you ever want to talk...
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  "They teach commands of Men as doctrines"

  by stuckinarut2 in

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  it occurred to me that the bible has recorded jesus as saying at matthew 15:9.

  "their worship is in vain, as they teach commands of men as doctrines".

  http://biblehub.com/matthew/15-9.htm.

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  Agree, started a new thread with a good example of this from the latest Watchtower...