Posts by Steel

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Work Christmas functions: Being a Bible Student (unbaptized)

by rulehayl in

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hi all,i have been studying with the witnesses for more than 6 months and regularly attend both midweek & weekend meetings, and i am nearly at the end of the "bible teach" book.

my boss is adamant i attend team christmas functions.

she knows about my studying and potential baptism next year, and has suggested that i attend and just not participate in activities like kris kringle.

Steel

you do realize the entire religion is a belief that Jesus only died for anointed Christians who are solely represented by seven men in New York City. though your works and obidence to seven men in New York, that is your salvation.

basically the entire new testament isn't for you. just to be clear

If you know about the history of doctrinal flip flops, the altered new world translation and what real bible scholars think about new world translation you don't need to worry about your relationship with God.

you don't have one.

you are just a lonely idiot in a club.

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the GB's coup of the FDS

by Magnum in

i believe the gb's takeover of the fds was an illegal coup - not illegal relative to the laws of land, but illegal according to jw "laws" or doctrine.. according to jw doctrine, the fds is god's channel of communication between heaven and earth.

before the coup, the fds was defined to be all the anointed on earth, and the gb was part of that group and merely the spokesman for the group - individual gb members having no more authority than non-gb members of the fds.. however, a few years ago, the gb, independently of the other members of the fds, decided that it alone was the fds.

that, to me, was an illegal overthrow of the body (fds); it was a coup.. suppose the u.s. president decided that he has all power, and that he removed the powers of the u.s. congress.

Steel

I remember being in a tuesday night meeting and they were doing a householder example , explaining how they were not a cult.

They said cults were ran by a single person or a small number of people. Jehovah witnesses are lead by Jehovah god and his annoited remnet on earth.

I almost busted out laughing. We all know it is lead by a religious junta of seven men.

The new understanding to me is basically like they just got sick of explaining of what the 10000 or so heavenly hopers actually do in the Borg.

It's like they finally said " fuck it", everyone already knows we are a cult anyway.

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Who did new testament writers think Jesus was ?

by Steel in

i have been reading this book called " the two powers in heaven " .. the readers digest version is basically there was a first century belief of kind of a dual god system in the old testament.

god is invisible and yet he appears at the " word of the lord " or " the angel of the lord ".

basically any time god was visible and dealing with humans in a touchable , see able manner , it was though to be christ.

Steel

the question is do new testament writers think of Jesus as a central figure from the old testament?

I really believe they do?

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Who did new testament writers think Jesus was ?

by Steel in

i have been reading this book called " the two powers in heaven " .. the readers digest version is basically there was a first century belief of kind of a dual god system in the old testament.

god is invisible and yet he appears at the " word of the lord " or " the angel of the lord ".

basically any time god was visible and dealing with humans in a touchable , see able manner , it was though to be christ.

Steel

I have been reading this book called " The two powers in heaven " .

The readers digest version is basically there was a first century belief of kind of a dual god system in the old testament. God is invisible and yet he appears at the " word of the lord " or " the angel of the lord ". Basically any time god was visible and dealing with humans in a touchable , see able manner , it was though to be Christ. Yet the term Jehovah or LORD seems to apply to both figures or at the least there is an ambigious use of the term.

So when you read the new testament , what exactly did New Testament Writers mean by expressions like " visible image of god " or calling Jesus " the word of the lord " , or there was a belief that Jesus lead the Israelis out of Egypt.

I am not trying to argue if the bible is right or wrong or inspired. I just find the more I study , from a theology point of view it seems to teach a common story that isn't even close to what the WTS teaches.

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Do JWs wonder why never converted someone that knows the Bible?

by Counter-Watchtower in

my experience with jws that came to my house started me on a journey of learning the truth about "jehovah's organization".

it didnt take long for me to stump them with bible questions that show what jw org teaches is not biblically accurate.

i hope when i lay on them 6 pages of their history (which will later be a counter-watchtower magazine) the light will come on when they read about pyramids and see photos.

Steel

I went to church for years and the kingdom hall for years , never really understanding the bible or even caring too.

I was eventually challenged by someone about the idea of Jesus in the old testament. An idea that I was completely foreign too.

Once doing the research I began to realize new testament writers are thinking of Lord or Jehovah as a two being creature. An invisible omnipresent being an a devine visible being.

Jesus is though of as this second visible being of the old testament in the new testament. It seem rather bizarre how most Christians miss that.

Anywho it strikes me as odd how people don't leave bible schools or theological collages and become Jehovah witnesses. its like they aren't even at step one.

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DEFEND JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES website

by Vanderhoven7 in

i googled the question "do jehovah's witnesses do charity work?

" and up popped the above website designed to counter virtually all wts criticism.

anyone know about this website?.

Steel

I have read a few article and found they are really just opinion masked theology.

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So we started at a new hall

by Steel in

when i say we, i just mean my wife.

we moved to a community of maybe 20000. this hall claims to have 160 publishers but i have my doubts.. the most shocking part is there isn't a single child in the hall.

we just moved from a hall with at least 12 kids under 10. watching the people shuffle out this morning made me think it was some dying denominational church.

Steel

When I say we, I just mean my wife. We moved to a community of maybe 20000. This hall claims to have 160 publishers but I have my doubts.

The most shocking part is there isn't a single child in the hall. We just moved from a hall with at least 12 kids under 10. Watching the people shuffle out this morning made me think it was some dying denominational church.

Damm they are an old bunch. I kind of laughed.

Meanwhile my mother just told me two young and rather large Syrian refuge families have basically renounced Islam and started to attend her church.

Funny what happens when you offer people basic human needs instead of magazines.

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2017 Convention Recording: JWs Applaud 10yo Girl For Shunning Her Own Sister

by pale.emperor in

this poor girl was baptized at 9yo.

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she isnt old enough to buy alcohol, to vote, to decide her own medical treatment, to buy a pet, to travel alone... yet she was deemed old enough to dedicate her life to a religion that will cut her off from her family if she ever leaves.. here she is applauded for shunning her own sister who tried to keep in contact with her after waking up.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yzgnfda8ki.

Steel

This is just child abuse.

Social service should just place these children in foster care.

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Why did Jesus not use God’s name Jehovah?

by venus in

no one doubts jesus extensively spoke about god’s kingdom because he said: “i must proclaim the good news of the kingdom of god to the other towns also, because that is why i was sent.” (luke 4:43) yet christian sects are divided over the subject whether jesus used god’s name or not.. it is said that god’s name jehovah was revealed to moses.

however jesus knew moses was not trustworthy.

(mathew 19:8) moses born and brought up in egypt could have been influenced by egyptian knowledge.

Steel

New testament writers are looking at the oddities in the old testament when it comes to the appearances of God in the scrolls.

God often refers to himself in the plural , or God is invisible but there is some kind of Devine manifestation that people deal with. Usually the angel of the Lord or word of the Lord.

The general idea is Jesus is this second manifestation of God that people see and deal with but who really is just God also.

Thus the reason Jesus never calls his father LORD, jehovah or yahwah.

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Dunkirk.

by zeb in

i have just seen the film "dunkirk".

do yourselves a big favour and go see it.

(not for kids).

Steel

Hitler didn't consider the British as sub humans that needed to be either wiped out or enslaved.

The 400000 British only got out of Dunkirk alive because the nazis let email.