He sounds like an interesting guy.
Yes definitely!
krejames
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Odd experience today
by krejames inok just thought i'd share this odd experience that happened while i was responding to perfect1's thread "did a householder at the door ever cause you doubts?
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was just relating the experience of a householder who caused me to question my beliefs.
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krejames
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Odd experience today
by krejames inok just thought i'd share this odd experience that happened while i was responding to perfect1's thread "did a householder at the door ever cause you doubts?
" (apologies for the bad typing in that btw - was on my iphone and in my work-break).
was just relating the experience of a householder who caused me to question my beliefs.
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krejames
Yes it was just with the Bible. I did sometimes take the Insight Books and he had bookshelves full of Bible encyclopedias and concordances and so on that we would refer to. Having said that, you are absolutely right, the WT don't like it. JWs are strongly advised to use the Bible Teach book these days. I did leave him one but he refused to read it.
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What is happening in Mexico?
by ILoveTTATT ini have heard that a lot of the english congregations in mexico are shutting down... they are condensing 5 congregations into one, or in some areas even disbanding the only english congregation.
jw's who have been living in mexico for many years and probably were sheltered by being in the english congregations will now have to move to spanish congregations.... .
ilttatt.
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krejames
I suspect what is happening to the English congregations in Mexico is the same as is happening to foreign language congregations in most countries. They are trying to get them to integrate with the native speakers. Many foreign language congs and groups in the UK have been dissolved, and the ones left now have the same CO as the english language congs in their circuit. I know it's the same in Italy too.
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Odd experience today
by krejames inok just thought i'd share this odd experience that happened while i was responding to perfect1's thread "did a householder at the door ever cause you doubts?
" (apologies for the bad typing in that btw - was on my iphone and in my work-break).
was just relating the experience of a householder who caused me to question my beliefs.
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Ok just thought I'd share this odd experience that happened while I was responding to Perfect1's thread "Did a householder at the door ever cause you doubts?" (apologies for the bad typing in that btw - was on my iPhone and in my work-break)
Was just relating the experience of a householder who caused me to question my beliefs. Just for background, the call actually turned into a regular bible study. But a proper bible study (i.e. he refused to study any of the JW books). We used to have many in depth and enjoyable discussions. He was of a baptist-like faith but non-denominational I guess. He was very open minded and admitted that he had changed many of his beliefs as a result of our discussions but there were fundamental issues he could not agree on. I likewise changed many of mine too - he knew his Bible much better than me and I was genuinely impressed at his sincerity - he went on many outreach type campaigns, had had a few "spiritual" experiences and I realised that I was in no position to judge where these experiences came from (the stock JW answer would have been that they came from Satan). He even came to the memorial once but didn't like it because he said it was disrespectful to Jesus. He never came to the KH again. Lots of Jws told me I was wasting my time and to stop calling on him but I didn't because I considered him pretty much a friend - I was not just going to walk away because he didn't want to be a JW. Anyway I did stop calling round, for various reasons, almost two years ago well after I first stopped going to the meetings.
Anyway, in the middle of responding to Perfect1's thread, I received a text from him completely out of the blue. I was a bit spooked to be honest!
Here's a redacted text of the exchange (I've removed the pleasantries and other irrelevant bits)
My first response to his text:"How strange I was just thinking of you and a discussion we had at your house years ago!..."
Him:"What discussion was that?"
Me:"It was one where we were discussing a scripture in James about healing. A bit random I know (I think at the time I was trying to justify the JW judicial system)"
Him:"That is strange; & topical 4 me. Not all the JW beliefs were wrong. Many were good. Will tell u abt things later."
Now I'm intrigued! I wonder if someone else called on him and did a "better" job than me!
James
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Did a householder at the door ever cause you doubts
by perfect1 inrecently on a saturday morning there was a knock on my door.
two ladies asked me if i was familiar with the jws.
i said: yes unfortunatley.
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krejames
A householder asked me what happened when JW sins in a big way. I explained the judicial procedure. He said something like "How is that like the early Christians?" (I think I had been doing the usual boast about JWs being exactly like first century Christianity). I showed him the scripture I James (I think) about the elders healing someone with prayer and oils "and if there are sins they will be forgiven" (or something like that). And he said how do you get your judicial system from that? That scripture is clearly talking about healing". That was the first big awakening for me. I shelved it for a while but I was ready for JW facts...
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Syposiums are pagan!
by krejames inthe bbc has been producing some interesting documentaries lately.
one series is about ancient greece and i learned something new (for me) that i thought a few here might like as much as i did.. according to one episode in the series, syposiums originated in ancient greece as events where people would get together, get drunk, make sacrifices to the pagan gods and then finally various people would stand up and talk and talk and talk, no doubt in a drunken ramble, about the deep topics of the day.. for this reason i cannot possibly attend another jw assembly or convention any more.
they always feature syposiums and now i know they are clearly rooted in paganism, well, it goes against my christian trained conscience..... .
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Wow LostGeneration, it's even worse than I thought. I need to go and do a 100 hail marys as penance for ever listening to one of these debauched tirades from the convention platform!
I agree Sir82, they definitely love that word symposium (sorry for the typos in my original post). Especially when it's about mentally diseased apostates or "fornication" in all its many forms.
Cult repetition, indoctrination, brainwashing it definitely is. I feel the need to go and celebrate a few birthdays, throw some confetti and polish it off with a few christmas carols...
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Syposiums are pagan!
by krejames inthe bbc has been producing some interesting documentaries lately.
one series is about ancient greece and i learned something new (for me) that i thought a few here might like as much as i did.. according to one episode in the series, syposiums originated in ancient greece as events where people would get together, get drunk, make sacrifices to the pagan gods and then finally various people would stand up and talk and talk and talk, no doubt in a drunken ramble, about the deep topics of the day.. for this reason i cannot possibly attend another jw assembly or convention any more.
they always feature syposiums and now i know they are clearly rooted in paganism, well, it goes against my christian trained conscience..... .
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The BBC has been producing some interesting documentaries lately. One series is about ancient Greece and I learned something new (for me) that I thought a few here might like as much as I did.
According to one episode in the series, syposiums originated in ancient greece as events where people would get together, get drunk, make sacrifices to the pagan gods and then finally various people would stand up and talk and talk and talk, no doubt in a drunken ramble, about the deep topics of the day.
For this reason I cannot possibly attend another JW assembly or convention any more. They always feature syposiums and now I know they are clearly rooted in paganism, well, it goes against my christian trained conscience....
(actually it did get me thinking how much more bearable some of those convention syposiums would be after quaffing a bottle of wine or two)
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Experiences With The Elders
by minimus indid you generally have good experiences with the elders ?
we're any situations especially memorable???
pro or con.....
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krejames
I can only say good things about the elders in the two congregations I was associated with. In the congregation I grew up in, the body of elders were lovely (crap public speakers but genuine, kind human beings). To be honest they put up with a lot. I used to hear horror stories about the elders in neighbouring congregations from people who moved to our congregation to get away from theirs!
The congregation I moved to when I left home also had a lovely body of elders. There was one elder that a few people badmouthed as being a tyrant, but he was on my judicial committee and I can honestly say that he was the most sympathetic, encouraging individual. I had five JCs in total and was never disfellowshipped.
That said I agree with Leprechaun that they are not equipped to deal with certain things because they are handicapped by the "official" stance taken by WTS. In my case homosexuality. Despite being sympathetic, they did not understand it (though I could tell they were trying their best to) but ultimately they could only look at the issue through "WT goggles".
There were a few WT study articles in the 2000s, if I remember rightly, with a lot of counsel directed at the elders and how they handle confessions, judicial matters and so on - in summary telling them they had to be a "refuge" and loving and sympathetic (maybe trying to counteract the situation in the 70s/80s, that gma-tired2 described). I can honestly say the elders did all they could in my experience, but in the end that's not enough if the basic belief system is mistaken.
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krejames
Welcome on board! You're not alone !
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OMG Have you seen this?? This site is sooo hysterical. It reminds me of The Onion, but for exJW's
by noni1974 inhttp://jehovahstrumpet.com.
i read the cat baptisim article and i doubled over laughing.
one time when i was a kid i asked why my kitty couldn't go to the kh with us and my mom told me that animals were perfect and didn't need to go to the kh.. .
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I like it ! :)