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  Feeling very sick!

  by msconcerned in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  well as you all may or not know i am an m.s and trying to figure all these feeling out.

  but i have a dilemma, i will be going on a shepherding call with an elder to "help" a family who is discouraged with the people in the hall.

  i have to admit i feel the same way they do so how can i "encourage" them when i feel the same?

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  krejames

  Show empathy, kindness and love. No one can argue with that and it's not hypocritical.
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  Prodigal Son DVD, Seen it? Totally Unrealistic to me. You?

  by Wasanelder Once in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  here's the basic rundown:.

  ok so little jw (21 going on 15) decides to get a job with a computer firm.

  leaves family construction company to do so.

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  krejames

  I attempted to watch it today. I managed to get through just over 13 minutes before switching it off in disgust and running to the bathroom to throw up (ok that last bit was an exaggeration). What a horrific family of emotional blackmailing control-freaks. Awful!
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  Do the WTS actually destroy all of your records if requested?

  by Thoughtless in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hello, sorry for the multiple posts, but this has also been a question of mine to ask.. .

  does the wts actually destroy your files if you request them to after you get df'd?

  i honestly do not believe so, yet i feel as if you cannot call them on their bs if you do.

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  Dear krejames, you are right about the law on personal data here in the U.K, and a young DF'd guy I know got his sent to him, even his report from the Ministerial Training School was included, but, significantly not his DFing details. As he told me, although they are supposed to destroy all the stuff they have on you, there is no follow up here in the U.K to make sure they actually do. If you could prove they still held stuff they could be fined, but how do you prove it ? and I bet they claim to be "above Caesars Law" in this, they will disclose what they hold on you, but only the minimum of that, and I would wager they destroy nothing. They are like the Nazis in this too.

  Yes Phizzy I agree. (It would be quite nice to see a few fines being thrown in their direction, I think )
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  Do the WTS actually destroy all of your records if requested?

  by Thoughtless in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hello, sorry for the multiple posts, but this has also been a question of mine to ask.. .

  does the wts actually destroy your files if you request them to after you get df'd?

  i honestly do not believe so, yet i feel as if you cannot call them on their bs if you do.

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  krejames

  Here's the condition the WTS in the UK would be relying on. Once it doesn't apply they must destroy any sensitive personal data from their records (i.e. anything that relates to religious matters and especially the kind of stuff that would be on a judicial committee file)

  The processing

  (a) is carried out in the course of its legitimate activities by any body or association which—

  (i) is not established or conducted for profit, and

  (ii) exists for political, philosophical, religious or trade-union purposes,

  (b) is carried out with appropriate safeguards for the rights and freedoms of data subjects,

  (c) relates only to individuals who either are members of the body or association or have regular contact with it in connection with its purposes, and

  (d) does not involve disclosure of the personal data to a third party without the consent of the data subject.
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  Do the WTS actually destroy all of your records if requested?

  by Thoughtless in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hello, sorry for the multiple posts, but this has also been a question of mine to ask.. .

  does the wts actually destroy your files if you request them to after you get df'd?

  i honestly do not believe so, yet i feel as if you cannot call them on their bs if you do.

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  krejames

  Desirous of change:

  There are specific instructions that the written files of the Judicial Committee concerning a matter of DFing are to be collected by the JC Chairman, placed in sealed envelope with only individual name on the outside and date and it is to be maintained in the Cong Confidential Files indefinitely if the person is not reinstated. Supposedly they are destroyed after reinstatement, after all restrictions are lifted, and after publisher is in good standing for 3 or 5 years (don't recall specifically). However, most Cong Secretarys are too lazy or stupid or apathetic to bother.

  You can "request" anything. Don't expect to get the answer you want to hear.

  I don't know whether this happens in the UK, but the only basis they would have for keeping anyone's personal information would either be explicit permission (I remember in the distant past we all had to sign something to say it was ok for them to keep our records) or on the basis that we are members of the religion and have regular contact. If anyone ceases to be a member (i.e. D/F's or D/Ad) there is no legal basis for keeping the records. They must destroy the files if the individual requests it (i.e. withdraws their permission and ceases to be a member) or risk getting a fine of up to £500k for each breach of the data protection act from the information commissioner.

  I don't know the legal basis in the US but I should imagine there must be similar legislation
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  Do the WTS actually destroy all of your records if requested?

  by Thoughtless in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hello, sorry for the multiple posts, but this has also been a question of mine to ask.. .

  does the wts actually destroy your files if you request them to after you get df'd?

  i honestly do not believe so, yet i feel as if you cannot call them on their bs if you do.

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  krejames

  Sorry for the typos. on my mobile!
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  Do the WTS actually destroy all of your records if requested?

  by Thoughtless in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hello, sorry for the multiple posts, but this has also been a question of mine to ask.. .

  does the wts actually destroy your files if you request them to after you get df'd?

  i honestly do not believe so, yet i feel as if you cannot call them on their bs if you do.

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  krejames

  Hi Thoughtless. Are you in the UK? if so you can send them a notice under S.10 of the data protection act asking them to delete your records on the grounds it is causing damageor distress. You might not even have t o do that as religious information is classed as sensitive personal data and the only legal grounds they would have is your explicit permission (since you're no longer a member and have no regular conact with them.

  The Uk act is based on EU law so other european countries should have similar arrangements.

  Outside of the EU i cant help you.

  Best wishes

  Krejames
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  700 JWs imprisoned in Korea

  by NeverKnew in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  "you have no idea!

  yes, people hate jws!".

  this statement was made to me by a jw who had just left a meeting to present the notion that they were the persecuted christians.

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  krejames

  Sorry Bobcat and OldHippie! cross posted! Yes i agree.
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  700 JWs imprisoned in Korea

  by NeverKnew in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  "you have no idea!

  yes, people hate jws!".

  this statement was made to me by a jw who had just left a meeting to present the notion that they were the persecuted christians.

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  krejames

  At the DC they were specific that the 700 JWs are in prison in South Korea for not joining the army. Would be interesting to know how many other conscientious objectors are in prison in South Korea.
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  Gays Win!

  by free2beme in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  now gays can have the joy of divorce, alimony and child support in all the states that allow such joy!!!

  enjoy, you deserve the right to these things and selfish straight people have been holding on to such wonderful rights for far too long.

  now get those lawyers ready, let the real battles rage and see what comes from all those marriages you fought to hard and strong for.

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  krejames

  Well said Backseat Devil!

  And by the way I'm still laughing at your first post on this thread.