LisaRose, your question about 'what is you passion' rings a bell (a sad one). We met some new neighbors recently for a few drinks and a grill and the husband asked me at some point: so what is your passion, what are you passionate about? I still don't know the answer, but I am determined to find out. His wife felt embarrased for me and tried to get him to back off, but I said it was a good question> I haven't stopped thinking about it. What a waste, waiting for the 'new' system when there is so much on the table in front of you.
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I want to Believe in Something
by James Jackson inafter serving in an appointed position for over 26 years (21 elder, 5 ms,14 pioneer), i have no more dreams of paradise, bored at the meetings, do not enjoy the field ministry.
the desire to do anything is gone.
i want to believe in something!.
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Are you a coward?
by Bugbear inactive jw:s spending their time with the preaching work, are often aware of that their message does not comply with simple scientific facts.
they know that evolution has taken place, that the timetable of the bible is not correct, and that most of the bibles content, are tales, that the original text has been rewritten, and rewritten, and misunderstood, and rewritten (except for a fragment p54, which is from 300 a.c.) still they go out preaching, trying to find possible converts to the teaching of the gb.. often they try to do as little as possible, one or two hours per month, talking to their children, or old parents.
this to satisfy the elder who is responsible for the report list to the society.. but are these people not responsible for promulgate a lie.
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Agreed adamah. I have taken the hard cold look and it is not pretty. I understand why I went down that road. Not going to happen again. I only wish I had done the same thing 20 years ago. That would put me at the same age as ConfusedAndAlone = still a full life ahead...
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I want to Believe in Something
by James Jackson inafter serving in an appointed position for over 26 years (21 elder, 5 ms,14 pioneer), i have no more dreams of paradise, bored at the meetings, do not enjoy the field ministry.
the desire to do anything is gone.
i want to believe in something!.
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James, me too. But we should also consider the possibillity that there is nothing to really believe in except now. Could be painful, could be good.
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Are you a coward?
by Bugbear inactive jw:s spending their time with the preaching work, are often aware of that their message does not comply with simple scientific facts.
they know that evolution has taken place, that the timetable of the bible is not correct, and that most of the bibles content, are tales, that the original text has been rewritten, and rewritten, and misunderstood, and rewritten (except for a fragment p54, which is from 300 a.c.) still they go out preaching, trying to find possible converts to the teaching of the gb.. often they try to do as little as possible, one or two hours per month, talking to their children, or old parents.
this to satisfy the elder who is responsible for the report list to the society.. but are these people not responsible for promulgate a lie.
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I''m with you both (Bugbear and Tornapart). I simply can't go to another meeting. Haven't been in several months now. Just wished I had 'manned-up' many years ago. Thankfully, I have no family in 'except' my wife.
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Special Meeting Newburgh, NY Assembly Hall
by XBEHERE ina friend of mine called me yesterday and he told me about a special meeting up at the assembly hall in newburgh, ny regarding the warwick project this passed saturday that all elders and ministerial servants living within a 55 mile radius were invited to.
he told me a lot of stuff but the gist of it was:.
1. volunteer to work.
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I'm with you DOC except that Yahweh seems to be a bit unpredictable. Or perhaps the 'holy spirit' is a bit of a wild-card. You would think, the unchangeable 'rock' would just tell it like it is and leave it at that. Why all the adjustments? Maybe the GB have a bad connection and sometimes they get it wrong. They did not seem very sure when they embarked on this project.
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JW morale reaching new low
by kneehighmiah inmany friends i've spoken with are becoming discouraged.
because of this it's becoming tempting to privately share my views with friends, but i know this is still too dangerous.
most witnesses in my circle are intelligent free thinkers.
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But it is coming up again in the January edition. I just got my copy in English yesterday and already marked up the 2 offending paragraphs. I am going to use if for discussion with the wife. Plus we get a bonus timeline in the same issue that again shows the 'flood' occured in 2370BCE and then only 100 years later the buggers were already building the tower of Babel. So they all moved from Ararat to plains of Shiinar and breeding like rabbits, managed to build cities and civilizations with enough support to embark on this project. Not bad!
In the same timeline, they did not want to 'speculate' on what year Adam and Eve were ejected from Eden so they did not post a date.
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A real difficult congregation???
by quellycatface inmyself and my family have had some odd experiences in our current congregation.
i have'nt been to meetings since september because of this.. 1. the co told the elder who was studying with my husband that he was doing it as an "academic exercise.
" my husband is very intelligent, been in the military, has a degree and a masters and a good job.
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So, quellycatface: where is the love that Jesus said would be an identifying mark of his people? Not at the KH, that's for sure. To be fair, I met some great people in my 30+ years as witness, but looking back, I'm sure they were just great people to begin with, not because they were JW's. Don't go anywhere near the Ministry 'school'. It will only add to your discomfort and stress levels.
Just keep asking questions. You will find lots of ammo and ideas here.
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Leaps of Logic
by FadeToBlack infrom the march 1, 2010 wt:.
is the bible the word of god?.
all scripture is inspired of god and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, that the man of god may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.2 timothy 3:16, 17.. .
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@notsurewheretogo: that one is absolutely, hands-down the ultimate wake-up call for any still in with a few non-borg dominated brain cells. If that didn't make someone ask questions, nothing will. At least about doctrine. But some, like my wife are not so concerned about 'facts'. For her and others it will be something else that stirs that other side of them to action.
For those interested in non-JW ideas about where the bible and specifically the Hebrew/OT text came from, I can recommend an older book I just finished recently. It is titled: Who wrote the Bibel? Author Richard Elliott Friedman. Originally published in 1987 with 2nd edition in 97. Great explanation of how the text was really a product of its time and how its non-inspired authors still managed to produce something quite remarkable (although admittedly not something people living many centureis later should be using to make major life decisions). Very accessible read for those of us who did not get to go to Harvard.
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Leaps of Logic
by FadeToBlack infrom the march 1, 2010 wt:.
is the bible the word of god?.
all scripture is inspired of god and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, that the man of god may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.2 timothy 3:16, 17.. .
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@Phizzy: agreed. If as the WT says, we were already in apostacy mode by that time, how could 'they' have decided what is canonical and what is not? Maybe one day we will have a NNWT that includes letters from the GB 2.0. Sadly, even that would not be enough to wake up some people.
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Leaps of Logic
by FadeToBlack infrom the march 1, 2010 wt:.
is the bible the word of god?.
all scripture is inspired of god and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, that the man of god may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.2 timothy 3:16, 17.. .
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@Gopher: yes, even when I first started studying (30+ years ago) I noticed the 'my opinion' thing going in in the writings attributed to Paul. Shame on me for not paying more attention. How could an opinion be inspired? Perhaps that is why I never realy got into anyting written by Paul. Too formalistic.