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  Help! Mike & Kim videos all being deleted by Youtube

  by mrmagic in

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  2. scandals

  due to watchtower flagging the mike & kim videos on youtube for copyright, youtube is giving them 6 days before they are shutting down their entire youtube channel.

  can you help with a mass downloading program and then reuploading them on a mirror ?

  would hate to lose all those good videos!

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  konceptual99

  Whether or not wt actually used copyrighted material without authorization in the past is not a legal defense nor a justification for KM to infringe on wt copyright. Using your standard though, everybody should be allowed to infringe on KM based on them using wt copyright and it would be a double standard in they protected their property. According to your standard, it is open game on KM.

  I am personally not making the claim that K&M are justified in doing what the hell they like on the basis the WT may have their own issues with copyright. This is my position.
  

  • I do think that the WTS have a right to protect their property from unauthorised use.
  • I don't think that the rights of the WTS can be freely trampled on simply by claiming some moral cause or justification.
  • I do think that an organisation can and should be held up to scrutiny.
  • I do think that such scrutiny does permit some kind of "fair use" of the published content of the organisation.
  • I do think that the WT uses it's financial and legal muscle to suppress valid scrutiny and criticism, especially by those essentially powerless to argue their position through the courts.
  • I don't think that this tactic will work in the long term, in fact I think it may even have a negative effect on the WTS.
  • I don't think that there is a clear legal position on this and it's certainly dependant on local laws.

  The WT are not really interested in protecting their copyright. What they are interested in doing is making it hard for critics to produce content. The use of copyright claims in the context of YouTube is a no brainer for them. YT will always take the path of least resistance and go with the claimant. People like M&K cannot realistically hope to challenge the WTS therefore it's job done.
  ....until the content pops up elsewhere on services that the WT cannot influence....
  
  
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  Watchtower Study Today from August 2017 issue " Wait Patiently"

  by BluesBrother in

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  2. bible

  theme scripture , james 5 v 8 abbreviated to " you too, exercise patience".

  (i guess we know what to expect now) .

  " how long?

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  Hated it today. Thanks blues for highlighting the hypocrisy of it all. I note they also crowed on about Jehovah being patient, backing it up with 2 Peter 3:9 where somehow Jehovah is letting more people be saved by letting countless numbers suffer.

  Twisted, pernicious, spiteful bile.
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  Help! Mike & Kim videos all being deleted by Youtube

  by mrmagic in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  due to watchtower flagging the mike & kim videos on youtube for copyright, youtube is giving them 6 days before they are shutting down their entire youtube channel.

  can you help with a mass downloading program and then reuploading them on a mirror ?

  would hate to lose all those good videos!

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  konceptual99

  Without wanting to get into the two wrongs argument it should be noted that the WTS' use of the work of others is rife with misquotes, quote mining and in some instances out and out plagiarism. They don't even quote their own literature accurately.

  http://www.nairaland.com/1498593/watchtower-exposed-disgusting-pliagarism-hardcore

  https://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/misquotes-deception-lies.php

  My point here is that the WTS presents a less than shining example in the use of others work yet they are clear ready to play the moral high ground card when use of their own content shows them up. I think that the type of use seen in M&Ks' material could be argued to be "fair use", especially when some of the content is not even the WT's to claim copyright over however the WT's ability to employ double standards know no bounds.
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  JW/Mormon slogan parallel

  by neat blue dog in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  just came across a meme of the leader of the mormon church (lds) saying "believe, obey and endure".

  it just reminded me of the jw mantra "listen, obey and be blessed".

  😂.

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  konceptual99

  Excellent video berrygerry.
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  Need help understanding the Overlapping Generation teaching

  by Jules Saturn in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so this is a topic that seriously boggles my mind and please correct me if i'm wrong.

  to me, the jw definition of the overlapping generation teaching is that the lives of the anointed from 1914 overlap with the lives of the anointed right now.

  david splane used the example of fred franz and how he finished his "earthly course" in 1992 but while he did, he had a lot of "contemporaries" that outlived him and are currently living today.

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  Good luck understand something that cannot be explained only using the Bible and has zero scriptural backup.

  It's bollocks so don't expect to understand it.
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  Waking up to TTATT: Blessing or Curse?

  by Jules Saturn in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  if you take the red pill, you'll have knowledge, you'll be awakened, aware of reality, you'll have freedom.. if you take the blue pill, you stay in your bubble, wearing rose colored glasses, and feel security in an illusion.. taking the red pill isn't something that's easy to do.

  to accept that everything around you is an illusion built up on lies or half truths.

  but hey, it might feel good to be aware and break free from this illusion.

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  I've had this discussion with my wife and others. Those that say "it's a good life" and think that simply because there have been some benefits to the way they were brought up are forgetting one thing.

  You are abdicating your conscience and decision making responsibilities to whatever the WT says is acceptable. They own your thinking.

  When it comes to birthdays and Christmas, well it's not the end of the world I guess, but what about risking your life over blood, what about shunning your child, what about forgoing an education, what about properly planning for your future and every other major decision that will affect- perhaps END - YOUR life?

  Being a Witness is not just a lifestyle when you are bleeding out in A&E after an accident, prepared to die, prepared to leave your kids without a parent, prepared to put the whim and whimsy of a bunch of old men above every ounce of common sense and reason you have.

  RED PILL EVERY TIME.
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  Help! Mike & Kim videos all being deleted by Youtube

  by mrmagic in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  due to watchtower flagging the mike & kim videos on youtube for copyright, youtube is giving them 6 days before they are shutting down their entire youtube channel.

  can you help with a mass downloading program and then reuploading them on a mirror ?

  would hate to lose all those good videos!

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  konceptual99

  I don't watch M&K's channel as I don't actually like their style but once again this is simply corporate muscle flexing on the part of the WT, bully boy tactics designed to shut up criticism and an attempt to remove content where the WT is exposed by their own words. Copyright arguments aside, this is about using overwhelming legal strength to abuse the spirit of a system, in the full knowledge they can out muscle the critic, and put a lid on content that is potentially harmful to the WT.

  As expressed elsewhere, they have zero desire to engage with critical voices. They have no intention of considering anything from exJWs and others in a constructive way. They don't have the courage of their convictions and are not prepared to let people examine the evidence and make up their own minds.

  What I don't understand is why the WT has not learnt from others? Have they forgotten that you reap what you sow? There are countless examples of where this type of behaviour simply ends up causing significant negative publicity for the organisation concerned. I am sure that one day this repeated tactic will come back to bite them right on the arse.
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  JW/Mormon slogan parallel

  by neat blue dog in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  just came across a meme of the leader of the mormon church (lds) saying "believe, obey and endure".

  it just reminded me of the jw mantra "listen, obey and be blessed".

  😂.

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  konceptual99

  The "best" outcome to aim for right now is for reform of practices and to make them treat people better. That includes praising them when they move in the right direction or calling out unfair criticism, even defending them on some issues. Some "activists" can't allow themselves to do that but it comes down to what are you in it for and why?

  I certainly agree with this however the big difference between say McDonalds and the WTS is that the WTS does not care what the exJW "community" has to say nor do they wish to engage with critics.

  The WTS only responds when they are either legally forced to so or it's going to cost them money.

  They don't see any need to reform.
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  Question for SBF

  by Fisherman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  slimboyfat, it appears that wts is going, gone digital.

  can you show your view what is wts next move after they are completely gone from kings county and settled in warwick?

  - this thread is your if you want it..

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  SBF you are right about the cross branch donations for literature production. It will be very interesting to see how the UK fares over the coming years now they are not producing the literature but taking it from Germany. Presumably the donation flow will start to go the other way.

  I also know from people with first hand experience of working in the UK accounting office that historically the UK has always had a good surplus and sent millions to other branches, including the US. Again, what the future holds is questionable but at least with the requirement for the UK charities to publish their accounts it will be possible to see any changes if they happen.
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  Question for SBF

  by Fisherman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  slimboyfat, it appears that wts is going, gone digital.

  can you show your view what is wts next move after they are completely gone from kings county and settled in warwick?

  - this thread is your if you want it..

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  konceptual99

  Glad to bring a little joy stan :)