Posts by konceptual99

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i'm leaving this site forever

by stan livedeath in

as the title says--i'm out of here for good.. the site is full of atheists, communists, 7th day adventists, creationists, believers, deceivers, receivers, football supporters,.

dodgy types, cantleave---and assorted wankers.. so no place for me--because i'm none of the above so dont fit in.

so--this is goodbye forever my friends--its been almost average knowing you.

konceptual99

Looking forward to never seeing you again in five minutes or so.

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Arrangements for Electronic Donations to Local Congregations

by wifibandit in

april 17, 2016 to selected bodies of elders in the united states branch territory re: arrangements for electronic donations to local congregations.

(attachment 1) 2016 04-18-e scong--arrangements for electronic donations to local congregations.

(attachment 2) credit card donation arrangement instructions.

konceptual99

Has anyone found out if any of the owners of iVerticle are Witnesses?

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Chelmsford is green-lighted

by Saltheart Foamfollower in

looks like chelmsford is going ahead after all.

here is the text of a letter to be read out this week:.

to all congregations in britain and irelandre: branch relocation project updatedear brothers:we rejoice to inform you that in june of this year, the governing body gave approval for thebritain branch to relocate to new facilities that will be constructed just south of chelmsford.

konceptual99

Judging from the existing construction work under way I bet the project was halted and already completed/approved plans were re-written; I would be interested if someone with experience in construction had an opinion.

This is 100% the case. I was speaking with someone who holds a senior role in the construction department at Brooklyn last December and knows the project very, very well. They stopped the work, scaled it back and then resubmitted drawings for planning approval. They stopped all groundworks and over the past 6-9 months have concentrated on access road, clearing old waste and contaminated areas, clearing trees and general preparation.

It was a real skeleton staff for while but my understanding is that groundworks have been back underway for a while, presumably in areas where they were confident they could move ahead once everything was cleared planning wise.

I expect a further cash drive asap now, probably repeated along with the quarterly reviews. I suspect they will keep the sale of Mill Hill going as slowly as possible so the R&F don't hear of a multi-million sale going through and slow the giving down.

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Anyone in the UK know about this?

by punkofnice in

one of my jw spies told me that a us jw speaker was visiting the uk.

some bigwig, on a tv screen, i believe.

sorry, that's all i have.. anecdotal i admit, but i was told he said, "you british think you are superior.".

konceptual99

Whoop whoop! You're back SBF. Glad to see it.

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I conclude evolution is guided

by KateWild in

your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

konceptual99

Sorry Kate I've been out and not had a chance to respond earlier. This is your thread and if you believe you have answered and explained everything to a sufficient level then it would be churlish to continue to make request ofyou for more information.

The only thing I will repeat is that I did not engage with you on this thread with some kind of predetermined atheist agenda. I have no interest in proving you right or wrong. I really am interested in your opinion and thinking process. I certainly have no billy big bollocks desire to assert my opinion above yours.

I will not be phoning you to discuss it, not because I am not genuine, but firstly the discussion was happening here and, secondly, I am a married man trying to fade therefore making surreptitious phone calls to ladies my wife does not know is not high on my agenda of risks to take. You might have phone conversations with others, like cantleave, but that's under very different circumstances for you both.

Please don't mistake any of this for some kind of lack of genuine interest. I've read everything you have shared over the years on this site and know how tough things have been as well as seen how you have powered through so much. I do find you obtuse sometimes but you have my utmost respect for what you have achieved to escape the clutches of the WTS and I am glad we remain online buddies.

All the best - k99

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I conclude evolution is guided

by KateWild in

your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

konceptual99

There is an agenda from both of you. You are both trying to prove I can't explain my position.

No there isn't. I am not trying to prove anything.

I have been here for over three years and I know the difference between genuine interest and proving a point.

I've been here for four. Some have been here for 10 or longer. So what.

If you sincerely want to converse more about my conclusions then ring me. I will pm you both with my number.

Thanks for the PM but the appropriate place to converse about this subject is here. If you don't want to go any further here then that's fine, the thread ends and we all move on. Somehow I think that might be best

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I conclude evolution is guided

by KateWild in

your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

konceptual99

Kate, this thread came about because I expressed my frustration elsewhere that time and time again when eloquent supporters of natural selection debate with creationists it ends up with the creationist trouncing off when challenged on the nebulous nature of their conclusions. It always boils down to some kind of feeling or abstract reason yet the naturalist argument is invariably supported with empirical evidence and is generally a far stronger, more logical and scientifically genuine answer.

You started this thread to propose that evolution is guided and you gave an example of a process that you think demonstrates this guidance. You did not explain why you thought this was the case, why your conclusion merited greater credence. Myself and other posters have been trying to get this explanation from you, not as some kind of game, not to try and trick you but simply to try and understand.

Your reason you finally gave was "because the hypothesis is not disproved by the facts". For someone with your scientific background this seems to me to be a fairly indistinct reason and naturally suggests some further questions. You have clearly made a choice but logic behind this is still very open. I could research the topic until the cows come home but it won't explain to me why you have made the choice that it is more probable L/H molecules are the way they are because God is guiding the chemical process. The only person who can do that is you.

If you feel the questions are repetitive or circular then it's only because your replies have been pretty high level and you try to deflect the questions by various diversionary tactics.

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I conclude evolution is guided

by KateWild in

your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

konceptual99

I have explained my conclusions in my OP.

No you didn't. You stated your conclusion.

The best explanation we have for how you arrived at that conclusion is "because the hypothesis is not disproved by the facts" and it's taken 6 pages to get there.

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I conclude evolution is guided

by KateWild in

your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

konceptual99

I did not state this anywhere on this thread. If you think I did please show me.

It's in your OP Kate.

I draw the conclusion that a Creator could be responsible for guiding the process, others may feel this is evidence of evolution without external guidance.

The fact that I keep asking for more information is proof I am very interested in understanding your perspective. - K99

It can also be proof that you're trying to prove me wrong, and I don't play those games.

It's not a game. I'm not trying to prove anything. I am simply asking for your views and your reasoning process.

An avowed atheist might say "I have drawn the conclusion that natural selection is a valid and reasonable explanation for all the molecules being left handed because the hypothesis is not disproved by the facts and follows the pattern of scientific explanation for many, many other and similar bio-chemical processes." - K99

Is this what you're saying K99?
I have drawn the conclusion that evolution is guided and is a valid and reasonable explanation for all the molecules being left handed because the hypothesis is not disproved by the facts.

No, it's not what I am saying. I was using an example of what how someone else might explain their reasoning to contrast with what you had done (or not done) so far in the thread.

Thank you for now qualifying your conclusion. Given that there are at least two potential conclusions to the L/H molecule (NS and deity guided), why come to any conclusion at all? Could you decide just to say "I don't know, it could be either, so I will wait for further evidence one way or the other"? Why choose one over the other?

I still don't understand how you made yours up and I really, really, really am really, really, really interested to do so. - K99

There are things I don't understand too, it's all a matter of getting yourself better educated in the topic if it's so important to you, but I don't believe you're interested at all.

Why do you keep telling yourself I'm not interested?

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Chelmsford is green-lighted

by Saltheart Foamfollower in

looks like chelmsford is going ahead after all.

here is the text of a letter to be read out this week:.

to all congregations in britain and irelandre: branch relocation project updatedear brothers:we rejoice to inform you that in june of this year, the governing body gave approval for thebritain branch to relocate to new facilities that will be constructed just south of chelmsford.

konceptual99

We'll see bohm, it will all come out in the wash in the end. There will be loads they can remove. One very interesting point is that this confirms the removal of Britain as a printing branch. There is just a warehouse now. No printing. They might also have kept the football field in the bottom corner.