TTFN SBF. I hope one you returns soon otherwise there will be no one to turn everything Cofty says into a debate on relativism. I will miss all of you!
konceptual99
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Goodbye JWD/JWN (my last post)
by slimboyfat inafter some considerable thought i have decided that i will no longer post on this forum because i want to return to jehovah.
thank you for all the kindness and many interesting discussions over the years.
i wish you all well in the future and the decisions you make.
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Serena
by Darryl ini was watching serena win yet another wimbledon title recently (congrats to her) but it got me to thinking about her for a moment.
she identifies herself as a jw and if you look up any info on her it will tell you that her religion is jw so that means that she herself and the rest of the world identifies her as a jw.. for those of us who are df'd as well as those of you who are about to be df'd what is the reason?
and what is the main difference between a df and a fade away?
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konceptual99
There is no rule change. The process around DA is clearly documented in the Organised book. It is an action taken by a baptised person. It's not initiated by the congregation. The list of "DA by actions" is clear and specific.
I await JWDaughter's feedback on her specific circumstances but I suspect this is likely unilateral shunning by ones in the congregation in response to actions on the part of an individual.
I know of cases where people take it upon themselves to brand someone as having DA'ed themselves by their actions (e.g. fading and then doing something "sinful") but that's the individual justifying their own self-righteousness with a mis-interpretation of procedure.
I have no doubt there are cases of the mis-application of the process by Bodies of Elders as well but, again, this will be ones operating outside of the instructions.
At the end of day it's all academic of course. If ones want to shun you for whatever silly reason they like then they will.
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Serena
by Darryl ini was watching serena win yet another wimbledon title recently (congrats to her) but it got me to thinking about her for a moment.
she identifies herself as a jw and if you look up any info on her it will tell you that her religion is jw so that means that she herself and the rest of the world identifies her as a jw.. for those of us who are df'd as well as those of you who are about to be df'd what is the reason?
and what is the main difference between a df and a fade away?
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konceptual99
So what would you have the WT do? Serena Williams is off the scale as far as a typical Witness goes. She can say what she likes and the WT can't do a thing about it. I'd be amazed if she's even associated with a congregation. When was the last time she attended a meeting? Can you even imagine the elders trying to speak with her, arrange a shepherding call, ask for her report?
I'm no WT apologist but trying to use Serena Williams' hypocrisy as a stick to beat them with seems silly. I've never met a Witness who takes her seriously as a JW. Most just say Jehoober knows her heart and it's up to him.
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Serena
by Darryl ini was watching serena win yet another wimbledon title recently (congrats to her) but it got me to thinking about her for a moment.
she identifies herself as a jw and if you look up any info on her it will tell you that her religion is jw so that means that she herself and the rest of the world identifies her as a jw.. for those of us who are df'd as well as those of you who are about to be df'd what is the reason?
and what is the main difference between a df and a fade away?
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konceptual99
JWDaughter - please can you elaborate?
In general terms you can't be disassociated - it's a step taken by an individual to formally revoke their membership of their local congregation and the organisation in general. There are some things that they count as disassociated by one's actions such as joining a church or the military and wilfully taking blood but these are simply to avoid legal issues with freedom of religion, treason and to be able to make technically truthful statements about ones not being disfellowshipped for certain actions.
Either way they all apply only to baptised individuals. Can you explain further as to how it applies in your case as this would be very unusual?
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Study article: "Go, and Make Disciples.." is a hot mess
by Sanchy inso i hooked into meeting via phone this week to listen in and was shocked at the absurdities mentioned in the study article (2016 may watchtower: "go,..and make disciples of people of all the nations").
the answer is obvious—only jehovah’s witnesses.
the answer the missionary priest gave in no way proves that jws are the only ones "preaching the good news".
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konceptual99
The WT here quotes a book that is quoting comments made by WT representatives. Wow.
Not only that but if you search for the quote online and see it in context the Witness is not even talking about the needs of people across the world, perhaps in war torn or disaster areas. He is talking about the isolated rural homes in Missouri...
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Serena Williams provocative with Beyoncé.
by 2+2=5 inanyone seen sister williams working her assests on the latest beyonce video?
what's the go, surely she is not a declared jw?.
she needs some serious council from jehovah, and i'm guessing bro sammy herd wouldn't mind being on that little committee.. the song is called "sorry".
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konceptual99
To be fair, I don't think there are that many Witnessess that buy her fake praise. Most people I have ever spoken to about it find it mildly embarrassing and hypocritical.
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Governing Body Anthony Morris gives talk at convention. Child refuses blood dies
by Watchtower-Free inhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yxw_wxyviu .
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konceptual99
Some do Morris does for example
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Bethel Economy
by sp74bb inrevelation 6:6 kjv.
6 and i heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, a measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.. this prophecy starts to be true in south europe bethels..... according to our sources, bethel families have been asked to reduce their food allowance and even been informed that monthly contribution might not be paid.. meantime, one of these branches is sending millions of € every year as donation to other wt structures, not to mention the 7 digit number on their bank account.
bethel members are not blind ;).
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konceptual99
Fair enough @sp74bb. It will be interesting to see if this surfaces elsewhere, especially on pro dub sites.
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Bethel Economy
by sp74bb inrevelation 6:6 kjv.
6 and i heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, a measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.. this prophecy starts to be true in south europe bethels..... according to our sources, bethel families have been asked to reduce their food allowance and even been informed that monthly contribution might not be paid.. meantime, one of these branches is sending millions of € every year as donation to other wt structures, not to mention the 7 digit number on their bank account.
bethel members are not blind ;).
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konceptual99
The worst false step I feel was to announce there is no money to pay them their monthly allowance, while some Bethelites can see bank account statements...
Was this announced? If so how? Morning worship? Is this documented anywhere?
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WoMD ... so where are they?
by Simon innow, the war is over, the weapons were not used and of course have not been found.. how threatening could they be if they did not even use them when being invaded by a massive force (of the countries they hate)?!
perhaps, as many suspect, they didn't use them because they didn't have them?.
now we're being told that we'll have to be patient and give them time to find them.
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konceptual99
Yes. And we and the Americans gave them and the means of production to him. Saddam was an evil, evil man and needed to be sorted. But the claims that he had a huge stockpile of weapons of mass destruction capable of causing harm to the UK within a 45 min timeframe was a completely fabricated premise on which to initiate a war that has cost 100s of thousands of lives as well as destabilised an entire sub continent just to play lapdog to George Bush as he went on his gung-ho tank wank.
Blair didn't have to do it in the way that he did.
When you listen to the speeches of people like Tony Benn and Robin Cook you understand the moral spinelessness of those MPs who went along with a vote to wage war.