Maybe so as not to draw attention to the fact that there is almost zero chance of any of the billion+ Muslim population of the world hearing da troof....
konceptual99
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WTBTS vs. Islam
by kairos inthe articles and meeting parts have been missing something all along, as far as i can see.. jws are taught to demonize all 'worldly' ( not jws) organizations, individuals and religions as having no value only to be destroyed by god at 'harm-you-gettin'-( armageddon ).. why do they not mention islam?no scathing denouncements?.
the only publication i really remember, was the "mankind's search for god" book that touched on the beliefs and practices of muslims.. why do you think this is the case?.
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What do Muslims Really Think - UK Documentary
by cofty inchannel 4 have commissioned a study into attitudes among british muslims.. the documentary starts in an hour from now at 10pm.
if you watch it live or on 4od please share your thoughts.. unlike many other surveys of muslim opinion, which have predominantly been done by phone or online, icm used face-to-face, in-home research to question a representative sample of 1,000 muslims across great britain.
icm also used a “control sample” to compare what british muslims thought with the rest of the british population.. at the top-line level, the survey suggests that a mainstream british muslim majority have similar values and attitudes to the wider british public on issues such as support for british institutions and a feeling of belonging to britain.. but looking deeper into the results, a chasm develops between those muslims surveyed and the wider population on attitudes to liberal values on issues such as gender equality, homosexuality and issues relating to freedom of expression.
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konceptual99
I generally agree with all you say BluesBrother but the issues with Islam is not purely a clash of cultures with the West. It's not all right wing extremism and left wing smugness. There is, as has been pointed out by LUHE, a major problem with different factions within Islam all thinking they are the best Muslims there is and resorting to violence to prove it.
In this country there is insufficient evidence of a real ground swell of opinion amongst Muslims that marginalises any form of extremism. This might be a problem of reporting in the mainstream media but I am no convinced this is that case.
Imagine what would happen if any Witness stood up and said they disagreed with (a) the WT stance on homosexuality and (b) that Jehovah was about to kill billions of people. Immediate DFing. You can wrap the truth up in as much cotton wool as you like but to remain a Witness there is only so far you go before you have to make a choice as to which side of the fence you stand.
The same is true with Islam. I commend any Muslim who speaks out against violence and intolerance but there is very little evidence of a small majority, let alone a vast majority, of Muslims in this country being prepared to take a stand that puts them in direct opposition to the core tenets of their religion. If they did they would become apostates - precisely the justification for Asad Shah's murder.
Violent, extremist enforcement of religious beliefs left Christianity some time ago because the majority stopped caring about the rules. Less people cared about enforcing social controls that reflected religious views on morality. This is not happening within the world of Islam just as it's not happening within the JW community. If no one was shunned for living together or having a different view on something then no one would bother being a Witness.
The world would be a better place if everyone bound by some religious concept of right and wrong just stopped caring about it.
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What do Muslims Really Think - UK Documentary
by cofty inchannel 4 have commissioned a study into attitudes among british muslims.. the documentary starts in an hour from now at 10pm.
if you watch it live or on 4od please share your thoughts.. unlike many other surveys of muslim opinion, which have predominantly been done by phone or online, icm used face-to-face, in-home research to question a representative sample of 1,000 muslims across great britain.
icm also used a “control sample” to compare what british muslims thought with the rest of the british population.. at the top-line level, the survey suggests that a mainstream british muslim majority have similar values and attitudes to the wider british public on issues such as support for british institutions and a feeling of belonging to britain.. but looking deeper into the results, a chasm develops between those muslims surveyed and the wider population on attitudes to liberal values on issues such as gender equality, homosexuality and issues relating to freedom of expression.
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konceptual99
The documentary reflects my experience of working with seemingly secular and reasonable Muslims. It's just like how as was as a Witness.
No issues are made about anything until the one thing that pushes a button such as homosexuality. As a Witness everything is fine and dandy until pushed on views on homosexuality. Despite trying to sweeten the pill with "it's the action not the person" blah blah blah the fundamental truth is that you cannot reconcile being a Witness with any kind of tolerance of homosexuality as that is what has been programmed into you.
Ultimately, most practising Muslims have exactly the same constraints to their tolerance. At some point their faith means they have to make a choice between accepting homosexuality or remaining loyal to the tenets of their faith. When pressed, every Muslim I have spoken to has had to accept their tolerance of homosexuality is relative.
When it comes to jihad, terrorism, violence and so on then, whilst it's fair to say there is further greying of the boundaries, when it comes down to a black and white, yes/no answer very few Muslims can condemn without question as the requirement to establish Islam at the cost of any who refuse to believe is written into the Koran.
The same is true when a Witness tries to explain the destruction of billions at Armageddon. However they try to sugar coat the pill with "it's all up to God", "we don't decide", "many will be resurrected" and so on, the facts are undeniable and cannot be mitigated by any Witness.
Witnesses and Muslims in our society are afforded the luxury of not really having to make black and white choices on these subjects right now. The real question is what happens when they are forced to make the choices, are forced to face up to the raw issues at hand raised by their faith. Then what? The outright shunning of any who do not meet the mark in a Witness world tells the real story. The fact that highly violent and oppressive regimes like ISIS are able to rise up and establish control in large areas suggests that the moderate voice is not the winner in a black and white world and that tells a story too.
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Evolution is a Fact #34 - Hiccups and Tadpoles
by cofty inhiccups are a weird phenomena.
they are a combination of two involuntary actions - firstly a rapid inhalation of breath followed 35 milliseconds later by the glottis at the back of the throat suddenly closing off our airway.. our normal breathing is controlled by a "central pattern generator" in a small region of the brain stem close to the boundary with the spinal cord.
a signal is sent along the vagus and phrenic nerves resulting in a rhythmic contraction of muscles in chest, diaphragm and throat.. these nerves branch off right at the top of the spinal cord and follow a convoluted path through the chest cavity.
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konceptual99
Is someone trolling both here and jwtalk? They have a(nother) nut job on there claiming the earth is flat.
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The slimboyfat challenge...
by The Rebel ini hope slim hasn't left the forum, ( again) but i noticed his last post was post 10,ooo which is quite an achievement and a great statistic to say " au revoir" on.
( yes i studied compulsory french at school, but " au revoir" is all i can remember so i may as well use it) .
anyway now for the " slimboyfat" challenge, can anybody here name past or present posters that have made over 10,000 posts?
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konceptual99
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I went to see my Dr about the blood card issue
by purrpurr ini booked a double appointment so that she wouldn't be rushed.
i explained that i'd been brought up in the jw's and woken up to what a load of shite it was.
i explained that they have changed the blood card and that the elders in the cong are being told to effectively force people into signing it.
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konceptual99
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Kobe 60 points last game
by James Mixon inthe old guy went out with a bang..l.a lakers.
a great career
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konceptual99
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KH construction
by truth doubter inis it a fact that all kh construction earth wide has stopped?
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konceptual99
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Evolution is a Fact #34 - Hiccups and Tadpoles
by cofty inhiccups are a weird phenomena.
they are a combination of two involuntary actions - firstly a rapid inhalation of breath followed 35 milliseconds later by the glottis at the back of the throat suddenly closing off our airway.. our normal breathing is controlled by a "central pattern generator" in a small region of the brain stem close to the boundary with the spinal cord.
a signal is sent along the vagus and phrenic nerves resulting in a rhythmic contraction of muscles in chest, diaphragm and throat.. these nerves branch off right at the top of the spinal cord and follow a convoluted path through the chest cavity.
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konceptual99
Just gone through this at the dinner table as my daughter gets hiccups. I didn't mention the source of course but left them contemplating the implication of why we would mimic actions of an animal with both gills and lungs..... -
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KH construction
by truth doubter inis it a fact that all kh construction earth wide has stopped?
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konceptual99
No one is saying KH construction has been stopped. We have recently seen the completion of the Chemsfold KH for example. However, as someone still nominally on the re-badged RBC/LDC I know there is very little more really going on. RBC groups had regular full build projects every 2-3 months. There have been virtually none in the whole of the UK for well over a year now.
There is lots of talk about how many more projects there are required. Firstly this includes maintenance tasks that fall under the LDC now. Secondly, when you actually talk to people, no one actually sees anything happening. Things are always supposedly happening elsewhere.
I can't speak for third world areas and accept there could be more going on there than we assume might be happening but the talk at the hall, assemblies and conventions is not about the third world, it's constantly bigging up the local LDC workload yet there is nothing of real substance actually happening.
Also, I believe there was a thread on here debunking the implied timelines on third world hall projects presented in a recent JW broadcast.