Posts by konceptual99

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Overlapping gen teaching- Help?

by raven in

hi friends,.

can someone please help explain to me the overlapping generations teaching?

i have not been able to grasp this one or what it even applies to?

konceptual99

Ask one of your elders to explain it. Then ask him to explain it using the Bible.

I bet few of them will be able to the former off the top of their head. As for the latter, it's not possible.

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Muslim Shopkeeper Murdered for Wishing Friends a Happy Easter on Twitter

by cofty in

horrible crime in glasgow on thursday evening when a well loved muslim shop keeper asad shah was stabbed to death by at least one other muslim man.

mohammad faisal, a family friend, said a bearded muslim wearing a long religious robe entered mr shah’s shop and spoke to him in his native language before stabbing him in the head with a kitchen knife.. mr shah had posted the twitter message ‘good friday and a very happy easter, especially to my beloved christian nation’.

residents of shawlands in glasgow say he was well respected and had been known to hand out christmas cards to neighbours despite being of a different faith.. hundreds have turned out in a vigil near the crime scene....

konceptual99

I think the transposition is fair enough in terms of the possibility of the Bible being used to justify all sorts of heinous acts, even if you allow for some difference between the overall tone of the NT v the OT.

I would also say that there obviously individual Muslims that have no truck with any sort of violence and do have a live and let live attitude. The problem is that these seem to have very little voice.

It's not really about "not real Muslims/Christians" though. What is so difficult about the spiritual leaders of the Muslim people of Scotland and Glasgow being able to join with others in a visible act of condemnation? What is it about the general cultural that means individuals and leadership are not empowered to raise a voice for tolerance and anti-extremism.

Christianity has a torrid history when it comes to persecution, white elitism, violence and extremism. Thankfully this is (a) pretty much a thing of the past and (b) widely condemned when it does happen. Why?

Because most "Christians" couldn't care less what other people do so long as it does not hurt anyone else, regardless of what their interpretation of the Bible might have to say about it.

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UK: Would anyone like to attend Frank Otuo's next hearing against the Watchtower? Or send him your support?

by defender of truth in

www.standard.co.uk/news/jehovahs-witness-sues-for-150000-after-church-snubbed-him-over-fraud-claims-9750062.htmlfrank otuo is suing the watchtower for disfellowshipping him and causing the loss of his family and his friends, after being disfellowshipped based on a false accusation of fraud.on friday may 13th 2016, a hearing will take place to decide whether the watchtower's defence will be thrown out.otuo is confident that it will be.

;)would anyone like to be there on the day, to see what happens and maybe even report back and tell us what you saw?.

otuo would like it if some people could be there to cheer him on, as it were.

konceptual99

Not sure I understand the above, especially the first long sentence in parentheses.

Are you saying the Witness that was a creditor was another person ("Bill") and that Bill made the accusation which was then processed by Morley? In other words Morley has nothing to do with the business transaction and is just acting as a back stabbing elder to rid the congregation of Otuo.

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Muslim Shopkeeper Murdered for Wishing Friends a Happy Easter on Twitter

by cofty in

horrible crime in glasgow on thursday evening when a well loved muslim shop keeper asad shah was stabbed to death by at least one other muslim man.

mohammad faisal, a family friend, said a bearded muslim wearing a long religious robe entered mr shah’s shop and spoke to him in his native language before stabbing him in the head with a kitchen knife.. mr shah had posted the twitter message ‘good friday and a very happy easter, especially to my beloved christian nation’.

residents of shawlands in glasgow say he was well respected and had been known to hand out christmas cards to neighbours despite being of a different faith.. hundreds have turned out in a vigil near the crime scene....

konceptual99

Just throwing back to some comments I made on another thread the other day as they relate directly to this....

In this country there is insufficient evidence of a real ground swell of opinion amongst Muslims that marginalises any form of extremism. This might be a problem of reporting in the mainstream media but I am no convinced this is that case.
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The same is true with Islam. I commend any Muslim who speaks out against violence and intolerance but there is very little evidence of a small majority, let alone a vast majority, of Muslims in this country being prepared to take a stand that puts them in direct opposition to the core tenets of their religion. If they did they would become apostates - precisely the justification for Asad Shah's murder.

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Muslim Shopkeeper Murdered for Wishing Friends a Happy Easter on Twitter

by cofty in

horrible crime in glasgow on thursday evening when a well loved muslim shop keeper asad shah was stabbed to death by at least one other muslim man.

mohammad faisal, a family friend, said a bearded muslim wearing a long religious robe entered mr shah’s shop and spoke to him in his native language before stabbing him in the head with a kitchen knife.. mr shah had posted the twitter message ‘good friday and a very happy easter, especially to my beloved christian nation’.

residents of shawlands in glasgow say he was well respected and had been known to hand out christmas cards to neighbours despite being of a different faith.. hundreds have turned out in a vigil near the crime scene....

konceptual99

There we go. One of the few sects of Islam that actually could be tolerant gets bugger all support from the more mainstream Muslims when asked to make a public stand against the worst extremism and violence.

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UK: Would anyone like to attend Frank Otuo's next hearing against the Watchtower? Or send him your support?

by defender of truth in

www.standard.co.uk/news/jehovahs-witness-sues-for-150000-after-church-snubbed-him-over-fraud-claims-9750062.htmlfrank otuo is suing the watchtower for disfellowshipping him and causing the loss of his family and his friends, after being disfellowshipped based on a false accusation of fraud.on friday may 13th 2016, a hearing will take place to decide whether the watchtower's defence will be thrown out.otuo is confident that it will be.

;)would anyone like to be there on the day, to see what happens and maybe even report back and tell us what you saw?.

otuo would like it if some people could be there to cheer him on, as it were.

konceptual99

So if I understand you correctly @akromo....

Morley lent money to a business owned by Otuo and another Witness ("Fred").
The money was lent with a clear business agreement at 8%. Presumably Morley would have been aware of the risk he might lose his money and this was allowed for in the contract.
Otuo sold his shares in the business to Fred with the agreement that creditors including Morley would be paid.
Fred refuses to pay back creditors including Morley.
Otuo sues Fred for breach of contract (namely the agreement made when the shares were sold)
Fred pays Morley back in full.
Morley accuses Otuo of fraud, takes it to the elders and the elders DF Otuo.
Bugger all happens to Fred

Have I got it correct?

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Sanderson Patronises Ex-Bethelites

by konceptual99 in

don't normally waste time watching these but this one caught my eye as it was obvious what the subject matter would be about..... http://tv.jw.org/#en/video/vodprogramsevents/pub-jwbmw_201604_2_video.

mark sanderson: accept change with faith and confidence (heb.

basically sanderson is giving a pep talk to all those that have new assignments changed.

konceptual99

Not to mention the increasing use of temporary/commuter bethel labour. This has the double bubble win for the WTS as (a) each one pays their own way and (b) the faithful jump at the chance to have this type of "privilege".

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Sanderson Patronises Ex-Bethelites

by konceptual99 in

don't normally waste time watching these but this one caught my eye as it was obvious what the subject matter would be about..... http://tv.jw.org/#en/video/vodprogramsevents/pub-jwbmw_201604_2_video.

mark sanderson: accept change with faith and confidence (heb.

basically sanderson is giving a pep talk to all those that have new assignments changed.

konceptual99

Don't normally waste time watching these but this one caught my eye as it was obvious what the subject matter would be about....

http://tv.jw.org/#en/video/VODProgramsEvents/pub-jwbmw_201604_2_VIDEO

Mark Sanderson: Accept Change With Faith and Confidence (Heb. 13:17)

Basically Sanderson is giving a pep talk to all those that have new assignments changed. He uses all the normal examples of Moses, Abraham, Jesus and then his own example of being asked to start a new assignment on Monday morning by the GB on the Friday afternoon.

This is all well and good but he is forgetting one thing. Most of the Bethelites that have had their assignments changed actually have had them stopped. They have lost their jobs. They have been told to make it as pioneers if they can. Special pioneers have had their stipends removed and been demoted. DOs and those over 70 have been sidelined and told to get on with it.

His new assignment involved him jetting off to the Philippines for a few years then coming back to be graced with the top job. He didn't have to try and find work after being institutionalised for decades. He wasn't told that he was entering in to the best career into the world only to be tossed aside at a moments notice with less workers rights than an illegal immigrant.

I really hope there are ex-Bethelites the world over watching this and sticking their fingers up to this patronising nonsense.

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The Jehovah’s Witness bagged themselves a Big One when they got Professor Raj Kalaria, to speak about his belief

by Watchtower-Free in

uk scientist helps christian cult to promote creationism.

the jehovah’s witness bagged themselves a big one when they got professor raj kalaria, above, to speak about his belief in creationism in a new video posted online by the cult.. keralia is currently a deputy director of the newcastle centre for brain ageing and vitality, newcastle, and a professor of neuropathology at newcastle university, uk.. when ex-jehovah’s witness lloyd evans, who runs jwsurvey, discovered that an april 2016 jw broadcasting episode featured keralia, he decided to:.

reach out to newcastle university to find out whether it endorses the academic’s stance on evolution, and found myself in a rather frustrating email exchange with helen rae, the media relations manager at the university’s faculty of medical sciences .. after much to-ing and fro-ing, an official statement was finally forthcoming ….

konceptual99

I agree with the principle of what you are saying WSICMS, I just don't think the University was prepared for any fallout from his interview, perhaps had little knowledge of it and didn't know Cedars from Adam. If it was one or more large media organisations on the phone repeatedly and/or if there was some more publicity amongst the public at large, plus if it was being portrayed as the position of the University then perhaps there might be a more robust statement.

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JWs' love to brag about preaching but.....

by pleaseresearch in

if what they are preaching about is untrue and false, does it really count?

i mean over the 100 years plus we have been going, how much of what we taught was absolute crap.

how many things taught about never came true.

konceptual99

I tried to create a list of things that the modern day (i.e. CTR forward) Witnesses genuinely prophesied ahead of time and got right.

I have copied out below....

1. errrr......

2. thats it.

Can anyone help me?