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  2015-11-18-BOE--Credits to jwfacts!

  by Atlantis in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  thanks to mr. jwfacts we now have a copy of this letter.

  i would have posted it on his thread but there was already 2 pages of replies and i didn't think the link would be seen.. thank you again mr. facts!.

  .. click the green download button.. http://wwwb.fileflyer.com/view/bbduxaa.

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  konceptual99

  Is this Australia only?

  IGNORE - just seen the other thread.
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  Theocratic Ministry School cancelled. Why?

  by the girl next door in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  is it possible this aspect of the meeting was cancelled so that jws would not be categorized as a "school" where in many areas elders and ministerial servants would have to submit to a background check by secular authorities?

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  konceptual99

  The TMS has not been cancelled. It's just had a format change and rebrand.
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  converting to catholic

  by SloppyMcFloppy in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  hello i was wondering if any ex jw have converted to catholic?

  i have been tossing the idea around a bit and wondering if it was woth it from personal experience?

  thoughts?

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  konceptual99

  I don't about any conversion to being a Catholic but I do know that the PopeMobile has had the exhaust system fitted with a Catholic Converter.

  I thank you. I'm here all week. Tell your friends and don't forget to buy my DVD on the way out.

  Welcome sloppymcfloppy btw!
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  An elder bought my son a suit

  by Clambake in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i guess being two months old and coming to the kh in his onesee was kind of offensive .

  how rude of me.

  i am thinking about returning to him.

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  konceptual99

  Dunedain - amazing
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  A little musical interlude....

  by konceptual99 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  a little classic and very apt electronica/rock from chicago's finest - tortoise - for those wee hours of a sunday with a dram or two.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktpalghjfsi.

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  konceptual99

  A little classic and very apt electronica/rock from Chicago's finest - Tortoise - for those wee hours of a Sunday with a dram or two...

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTpAlGhjfSI
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  Missed the Meeting

  by konceptual99 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so yesterday was a lovely day where i live and so instead of going to the meeting we went, as a family, out for the late pm/early evening to have a bbq.

  we were far more relaxed than if we had gone to the meeting.

  we spent far more time talking that if we had gone to the meeting.

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  konceptual99

  TBH CC not much has changed other than less activity on my part. I am working myself up to telling my wife I simply don't believe it anymore but it's difficult finding the right words and time. I have to do it at some point - the kids are growing and slowly getting absorbed into the JW mindset. I have given up hoping my wife will wake up herself just through my cynicism so I have to raise the bar.
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  Coordinator of Elders Problems in One Southern England Circuit!

  by The Searcher in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  information just passed to me.

  let's hope this becomes even more widespread.

  i wonder if the britain branch suspects a conspiracy?

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  konceptual99

  Let me guess, they sold it to someone else without any concern for their safety. This kinda reminds me of the ARC accusation that elders send known pedophiles into the community without any regard for other children in the neighborhood.

  It's not been sold or even on the market as yet. The locals are waiting for the LDC to come back and say what they are going to do.

  The property is in a very desirable area but has issues due to the age, current usage designation, grade 2 listed status and potential problems with the hillside. I am 100% sure they will sell but it's whether they sell as is to a developer, do remedial works or even do a full conversion to a residential property(ies).

  There are lots of other properties in the street and so this question of the state of the hill side would supposedly apply to at least some of the others. It's not been raised as a community problem so there is some scepticism amongst the local congregation of the actual level of risk. Without independent verification there is nothing the congregation can do. Any sale to a developer would require full due diligence on the part of the purchaser of course.

  The problem for the LDC is that if they have overblown the risk of landslip/rock fall and independent surveys debunk this then the locals will be miffed and simply want to return to the hall. On top of that, the longer they leave it the more it is simply a maintenance nightmare and the pressure will be there for the congregation simply to return and stuff the LDC.
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  Verify the Audit Checklist/Destruction of Files!

  by Atlantis in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  several people have asked if the audit checklist boe/destruction of files/ can be verified.

  atlantis said that if the previous information was not enough evidence, then i should send you the boe letter where the watchtower admits to sending out the annual audit inspection checklist.. .. write these down:.

  .please see: page 2, number 5. please see: last paragraph on page 3.. please see: page 4 annual audit of files.

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  konceptual99

  UK elders are not specifically required to destroy or keep anything by law.

  Any data they keep has to comply to the Data Protection Act about how it is obtained, for what purpose and how long it is kept for. An individual can make an information request at any time to see the data held about them The recent audit letter and the letter posed by WiFiBandit above demonstrate that the WTS is very prescriptive in ensuring the minimum data is kept, for (I repeat) two key reasons:

  1 - to prevent elders keeping data that either does not comply with the DPA or data that could be used in a civil case by someone wishing to bring a case against a congregation on the basis of information held about them.

  2 - to keep to a minimum data that could be used by the authorities against the organisation.

  Point 1 is because elders are often idiots and careless about what they write down and keep hold of.

  Point 2 is because the WTS has a persecution complex and imagines they are going to be oppressed at some point.

  It's a matter of opinion but asking elders to audit their records against the published benchmarks is, in my view, not quite the same as getting them to destroy evidence or cover things up. If they have no legal obligation to hold the data then they cannot be accused of destroying evidence. When it comes to child abuse the processes are clear about what should be held. This is so some measure of "due diligence" and "duty of care" can be demonstrated rather than adherence to any legal obligation is concerned.

  They can, however, be asked to explain how such instructions really tally with an open, transparent and progressive organisation, especially when it comes to child abuse. The instructions can be compared with other organisations to illustrate the predictably huge gap between the WTS' claims of being leaders in child abuse management and the reality of what is best practice in the vast majority of similar organisations.
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  Coordinator of Elders Problems in One Southern England Circuit!

  by The Searcher in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  information just passed to me.

  let's hope this becomes even more widespread.

  i wonder if the britain branch suspects a conspiracy?

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  konceptual99

  Portishead was disbanded for several reasons. Historically it had split from Clevedon congregation but over time attendances dropped and it was full of older people. A couple of younger families did move across from Clevedon but it's been one of the those old, parochial places for some time.

  Clevedon and Portishead continued to share a hall in Clevedon, a old Victorian building which backed right onto a hillside. The building is listed which means you have to get lots of approvals to do anything to it. Of course, each year that goes by means it needs more maintenance work.

  Clevedon and Portishead congregations have been looking for a new hall for years. The main problem has been that the Clevedon congregation wanted to keep the hall within Clevedon and not have to travel. All the sites that came up had planning problems because they were on a flood plain. During this time the Bethel were slowly taking more and more control of hall planning tasks and saying to the congregation they needed to look elsewhere.

  At some point earlier this year the Bethel pulled rank. They sent the RBC (as was) round and surveyed the hall. They said that the hall was not really safe to use due to the risk of a rock fall and other maintenance issues. They sent Clevedon to Weston which already has 3 congregations meeting at a hall. Portishead were sent to another hall but then told that as of the new service year they would be disbanded. Portishead congregation members were sent to three congregations depending on where they lived.

  Clevedon has basically been told to await the LDC's guidance on what will happen with the hall. They have been warned not to do anything themselves otherwise the LDC will drop them and they will be on their own. They cannot even verify with independent surveyors what the real state of their old hall is. On the one hand this has wound the locals up something chronic since going 10 mins down the road is a big PITA for them and they don't like being backed into a corner by Bethel. On the other hand the hall is a money pit and the high level argument for the way Bethel are spinning it makes sense, but one does get the impression that the LDC are taking advantage of a set of circumstances to get shot of a desirable building and get the cash without having to go to the trouble of building another hall. Of course, Clevedon & Portishead have been saving for years for a new hall and AFAIK all the cash they had on hand has already been scooped up by Bethel in the last funding round.
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  Coordinator of Elders Problems in One Southern England Circuit!

  by The Searcher in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  information just passed to me.

  let's hope this becomes even more widespread.

  i wonder if the britain branch suspects a conspiracy?

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  Little update - 100% certain this is the Bristol area. The related saga in this area is the disbanding of the Portishead congregation and the closure of the hall they shared with Clevedon. It's typical local congregation v Bethel politics but is a bone of contention for the locals and has meant a drop in attendance as people vote with their feet and baulk at supporting the org's new arrangements for them.