had a quick look at the workbook and flicked through the sample meeting video.. the increased use of video shows the trend for more centralised dissemination of "best practice" .
sure there isn't really a "school" any more and the format is a bit different but i think those that called it as the same old crap just in new package got it pretty much right.
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Had a quick look at the workbook and flicked through the sample meeting video.
The increased use of video shows the trend for more centralised dissemination of "best practice" . Sure there isn't really a "school" any more and the format is a bit different but I think those that called it as the same old crap just in new package got it pretty much right.
first, how about a joke?.
what do you call someone who just turned apostate?.
im thinking sometime in the future the society will put a spin on what is happening similar to what has been done in the past.. they will say apostasy once again reared its ugly head in the organization and layoffs was the only way to "cleanse" the organization.. once disgruntled ones begin to use their voice, they will be forced to strike back with some spin to make all those who have the guts to complain look like they were the problem.. good theory huh?.
It's already happening. Ones I speak with, things I see on pro-JW forums...
Many have completely discounted what has changed since the 20's, 40's, 60's - right up to the past 5 years. They simply say it only matters what is said now. Who cares about old publications? The other favourite one is "don't worry about the details, just ask yourself about the fundamentals - does God exist? Does he care? Is he going to do something?"
It's still the minority that are in the right place to ask themselves those questions and answer honestly. Few will really do anything other than answer a blind "yes" to each of the above questions.
There is plenty of covering the cracks of disillusionment with the wallpaper of cognitive dissonance going on now and it's just going to carry on.
from a recent reddit thread:.
i just received confirmation from a very trusted source in south africa bethel that up to 500 "families" (i imagine couples or singles) are getting let go from that branch.. also confirmed is the special pioneer cull.. what really strikes me about the layoffs is that the south african bethel provides literature and other needs for most of africa, a huge growth area for the org.. .
link:.
The build out there was progressing fast. I have an acquaintance who was there for several weeks working on the project and recently (about 6 weeks ago) came back to the UK.
first, how about a joke?.
what do you call someone who just turned apostate?.
im thinking sometime in the future the society will put a spin on what is happening similar to what has been done in the past.. they will say apostasy once again reared its ugly head in the organization and layoffs was the only way to "cleanse" the organization.. once disgruntled ones begin to use their voice, they will be forced to strike back with some spin to make all those who have the guts to complain look like they were the problem.. good theory huh?.
JWTalk is down playing the layoffs and raising the speculation about the nearness of the end essentially. Comments basically reflect one or more of the following themes:
- Jehovah is guiding the org
- This is obviously what he wants
- Jehovah has never anyone faithful down
- Bethelites are capable people and will find work for for their new assignments no problem
- The work is speeding up
- The chariot is warp factor 10 Mr. Sulu
- Stop worrying. Stop complaining. Sit down. Shut the **** up
- It OK to get a little about aroused about Armageddon
Sure - I made the last one up but it's fair to say that chucking out hundreds of people who expected a full time career in catered care is actually generating excitement.
http://www.essexchronicle.co.uk/jehovah-s-witnesses-deny-rumours-uk-headquarters/story-27899763-detail/story.html.
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They are both in active use and one produces literature and sells it to the other for distribution but I cannot remember which way round it is.
WTBTSB Accounts 2014....
Income...
Producing and distributing Bible literature 8,759,227
http://apps.charitycommission.gov.uk/Accounts/Ends61/0001077961_AC_20140831_E_C.pdf
IBSA Accounts 2014....
Expenses....
Provision of literature for Bible education 8,820,956
| http://apps.charitycommission.gov.uk/Accounts/Ends47/0000216647_AC_20140831_E_C.pdf |
WTBTSB sells the literature to the IBSA.
.. and fun too !
:d. what?
were you expecting a "but"?
but........
we are still a long way off (IMHO) from this ridiculous debacle accelerating the drip drip drip of defectors from da troof to a waterfall of people simply saying "feck this shambles".
"downsizing" has reached special pioneers.. this is the template mexico is using to get rid of many of its special pioneers.
see how cold and unloving is the language they use.
a translation attempt is as follows:.
I really don't think that the WTS is in any real danger of going broke in the short term.
I agree with the sentiments that this is all about rapid organisation change to protect against future shortfall and risks. These risks may include changes to tax status, compensation claims, reduced investment income, rising construction costs etc.
What is clear to me is that the decision making has absolutely nothing to do with spiritual goals. It is completely driven by bean counters. I really get the impression that the GB have let their hubris get the better of them and run amok with this plan and that plan over the past couple of years then some underling has pulled their bollocks out of their arse and given them some plain and simple shocking facts, coupled with some compelling strategies for rapid and persistent cost cutting.
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... until they have fulfilled their role in the org's master plan to sit down with the bodies of elders in the circuits and ascertain which congregations should be merged or consolidated.
this "culling" of k.h.
's will now have to be accelerated - considering the panic to rake in cash.. after the c.o.
haha ToesUp, just reminded me of Rawhide...
Move 'em on
(Head em' up!)
Head em' up
(Move 'em on!)
Move 'em on
(Head em' up!)
Rawhide!
Cut 'em out
(Ride 'em in!)
Ride 'em in
(Cut em' out!)
Cut 'em out
Ride 'em in,
Rawhide!
the organisation has always connected growth in numbers, publications and property with god's blessing.. they seem have set their themselves up for some difficult questions from the faithful.. pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall.
- proverbs 16:18.
They seem have set their themselves up for some difficult questions from the faithful.
Sorry Cofty, but from what I have heard from the faithful so far it's simply the F&DS being even more discreet. Jehovah is ensuring that the preaching work is given even more attention. The chariot is speeding up even more and we all need to be on board. "Reassignments" have happened before. Move along, nothing to see here.
How many of them really believe it is another question, but they certainly are simply rationalising the cognative dissonance about "growth=blessing, contraction=blessing therefore growth=contraction" away....
i did not believe i would see the demise of the wt in my lifetime, and maybe i will not, they may be able to ride out their present problems.. but how do you think this will affect the average, loyal, believing jw ?.
usually most things just wash over them, if there is a slight niggle, they use their well-worn way of explaining things to themselves as in "the end is near" or "jehovah knows best" etc etc.
but the huge sea-change in corporate policy that we see unfolding, all construction work stopped, except warwick and maybe their biggest project, chelmsford u.k. huge bethel layoffs, and the lifestyle of the remaining staff reduced to virtual slavery, more bethel closures, spiritual food reduced for the public as well as the r&f, and all of this being the opposite of what they have claimed was evidence of jehovah's blessing ???.
Well I keep seeing more and more of this construction halt on pro-JW sites. Someone even said there will be another letter speaking about that after the annual meeting. We shall wait and see. I seriously doubt they will announce such set back to all JWs.
Perhaps. I think much depends on how the AGM announcements re the meeting and magazines shift the conversation. I've already expressed my thoughts that perhaps this has been calculated to divert attention away from the bad news. They couldn't announce bethel cuts 2 days before the AGM could they...?
I suspect that they will have to address the cutbacks at some point. The way not to is to re-engage with lots of projects quickly and make it clear progression is happening.
By JWTalk standards, there's a fair amount of less than positive comment. Either there are several fifth column posters or there are a number of people that don't like what they are seeing.
