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  the flood, mammoths, elphants, and food.

  by Crazyguy in

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  my question is since it looks as though mammoths were alive after the flood and we know elephants are then how much food was needed to feed just these four animals for the time they were on the ark.

  also was the ark, 500 feet long, big enough to hold the amount of food needed for just these 4 animals.. .

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  Pah, do your research. A quick look in the publications shows God put em in a coma.
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  Public defiance against blood transfusions. Will this guy be disfellowshipped?

  by kneehighmiah in

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  2. friends

  http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ashya-kings-father-says-hell-4256798.

  we've been following this story.

  how can someone openly defy the governing body and yet avoid being disfellowshipped?

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  (Off topic: DA is exactly the same as DF. We should not treat them as if they are different when they are not, imo. That is just playing into the Org's word games that it uses to cover up its crimes in the minds of its people and the public.)

  I agree that the effect is the same and the whole DA thing is word games. I only raise the difference in this case from the perspective of reality of what could *possibly* happen in the case of a parent sanctioning a BT for a child.

  I also agree that nothing will happen to this chap should it turn out that he really is talking about BT.

  I don't agree that Witnesses think having a BT is a conscience matter. Refusing blood is still core to Witness mentality. If they were asked to comment publically then they might revert to WT double speak but that is not what they really think. Same as double speak on shunning DF'ed ones.
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  Public defiance against blood transfusions. Will this guy be disfellowshipped?

  by kneehighmiah in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ashya-kings-father-says-hell-4256798.

  we've been following this story.

  how can someone openly defy the governing body and yet avoid being disfellowshipped?

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  I say again, it is not 100% clear to me that he is categorically referring to BT. He is not quoted as that. The Mirror, as a tabloid, have sensationalised what he is quoted as saying. Of course, I don't know his mind so he could full well be referring to BT or including BT in general "you do what you have to" type statements. The point is that it could well be a 2+2=5 misapplication by The Mirror.

  Don't forget as well that the family have undergone a public and unusual situation. He could equally have been referring to the actions they took and indicating that these were nothing to do with their religious beliefs. Again, the article is not clear on the context of the statement.

  Regardless...

  You cannot be disfellowshipped for have a BT. You are viewed, if you are unrepentant, as have disassociated yourself by your actions. I have to say I am not 100% sure what the situation is for a parent who allows a child to have a BT but I know that there are cases of tacit approval for indicating that the authorities make the child a ward of court (or local equivilent) thus dissolving the parents of the responsibility.

  Of course, one can be disfellowshipped for "brazen conduct" and if one was to keep repeating opposition to the blood teaching then they would likely face a JC.

  I suspect in this case, the elders will keep well away from the subject until the fate of the child and publicity has died down. Someone will then have a quiet word to double check the circumstances and put any contentiousness down to "stress". As others have mentioned, the WTS is not keen to have it's policy over blood and children raked up in the national press.

  Someone discreetly lift up the carpet please...

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  In my original post it says a parent can be DFed for allowing a child to have a BT. I meant "cannot".

  If a parent was to be DFed after such an incident it would almost certainly be along the lines of "brazen conduct" over a vary vocal and critical attitude about it.

  I am 99% sure a parent would not be viewed as DAed
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  Public defiance against blood transfusions. Will this guy be disfellowshipped?

  by kneehighmiah in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ashya-kings-father-says-hell-4256798.

  we've been following this story.

  how can someone openly defy the governing body and yet avoid being disfellowshipped?

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  Firstly from how he is quoted it's not clear that he explicitly said he would allow his son to have a transfusion.

  Secondly, the Mirror is hardly noted for the varacity of it's reporting.

  Thirdly, you can be disfellowshipped for allowing your child to have a transfusion. Nor can you be disfellowshipped for saying you might do something (Although I am sure somewhere someone will have been!)
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  The More I Think, The More I Lose Faith In BIBLE!!

  by NoMoreHustle in

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  sitting through this weeks wt study.

  paragraph came up about how "a fire came out from jah & consumed (korah and) the 250 men offering the incense".

  i said to myself this supposedly happened couple of thousand years ago.

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  Exactly what I found. Developing some critical thinking skills and losing the cognotive dissonance took me from MS with no major issues to virtual atheist in 6 months.
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  Well, IT HAS BEGUN. See the future of the WTBTS in print.

  by DATA-DOG in

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  i hate to read the wt, but i skimmed the july 15 study edition.

  i found many examples of propaganda, of course, but a couple things really stood out.

  1) the future of the preaching work.

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  The trick, oubliette, is the JW app. You can download several of the videoa. You have offline access to loads of content. Not to mention downloading publications in iBooks. Did you know an emailed publication counts as a placement?
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  Is new light coming again?

  by justme67 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i just turned in my resignation letter to my congregation a few weeks ago.

  last week, 2 elders called me to say they received my letter and would like to meet with me to discuss my concerns.

  in my letter, i said i had found out about all the child abuse cases that were going on and that i didnt agree with their policy of disfellowshipping.

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  I very much doubt the elders know much more than is already known about upcoming stuff. It's far more speculation around the "nearness" of the big A, the chariot speeding up, constant messages from the GB that the end is very, very close, 100 years of bugger all happening etc.

  After the conventions this summer the R&F are wetting themselves about world events. It's hyped them up no end and bought them a little time. I expect they know nothing.
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  KM Online Now

  by konceptual99 in

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  even more of what you don't want to read is online.

  the km are now online under wol.

  http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/lv/r1/lp-e/0/20397

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  Even more of what you don't want to read is online. The KM are now online under WOL. http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/lv/r1/lp-e/0/20397
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  Child with brain tumour taken from UK hospital by JW parents

  by Fe2O3Girl in

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  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-28978655.

  a five-year-old boy with a brain tumour has been taken without consent from hospital by his parents, sparking a major police hunt for the family.. ashya king was taken from southampton general hospital and is now believed to be in france with his parents and six siblings.. police said he needs constant medical care and there are "serious concerns" for his life if he is not found today.. brett king, 51, and naghemeh king, 45 removed him from the ward on thursday.. ashya's father was pictured taking him from the hospital"everyone is sending their love now.

  we love you so much and we want to see you very soon and i love you so much and can't wait to see you.".

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  bemused, I think the answer to that is in the father's video. It seems relations between the hospital and the parents were deteriorating and the parents had a concern that Ashya would be made a ward of court. They removed him to prevent that possibility from happening. What will happen now of course is another question.
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  Brett King (Jehovah's Witness) Releases Video of why he removed his ill son, Ashya, from a UK hospital

  by jwleaks in

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  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14etqn9zpwk .

  jw leaks.

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  konceptual99

  Completely agree krejames.