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  Meeting after meeeting

  by molybdenum in

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  i just got information that there is going to be a short 10 min meeting.

  with elders and ms after the first meeting of the week during the co visit.. this is in addition to the usual elders/ms meeting.. it might just be for my congregation, but is this something new?.

  i wonder why.. .

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  Have the DO changes been announced in the congregations yet?

  by Fencing in

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  i believe the renaming of the district conventions has already been officially announced, correct?

  how about this latest change regarding dos?.

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  It is being read at out at the earliest opportunity from last Thursday.
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  Profiling of an apostate

  by joe134cd in

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  i must admit when i was in, the idea i had of an apostate, was an angry bitter person who would picket out side a convention.

  i was looking on jwservey and found on the respondents to a servey that 54% were either active members or fading members.

  this made me wonder is the organisation underestimating the extent of apostasy.

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  Is the 1980s letter still valid since it's not quite the same sense that you get from the current Shepherd book?

  Of course we are all aware of the loyalty question but is that actually a tactic that still has specific instruction and sanction from the society?

  Are there current BOE letters or KM School instructions that would instruct newer elders to discount active spreading of alternative views and DF someone as an apostate for simply holding views contary to the F&DS?
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  1000 Posts

  by konceptual99 in

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  wow!

  i've just realised i've reached 1000 posts on the board.. this is a personal milestone and so i think i should take a moment to reflect on the last 18 plus months.. in that time i have completely lost my faith in bible, in jw doctrine and in any kind of hope for a new world as described by the gb and believed by me for 40+ years.

  i have stepped down as a ministerial servant after 20 years.

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  Ha! Hadn't thought of it like that NY44M! Good point. Now where's my JWN report slip??
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  1000 Posts

  by konceptual99 in

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  wow!

  i've just realised i've reached 1000 posts on the board.. this is a personal milestone and so i think i should take a moment to reflect on the last 18 plus months.. in that time i have completely lost my faith in bible, in jw doctrine and in any kind of hope for a new world as described by the gb and believed by me for 40+ years.

  i have stepped down as a ministerial servant after 20 years.

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  WOW! I've just realised I've reached 1000 posts on the board.

  This is a personal milestone and so I think I should take a moment to reflect on the last 18 plus months.

  In that time I have completely lost my faith in Bible, in JW doctrine and in any kind of hope for a New World as described by the GB and believed by me for 40+ years. I have stepped down as a ministerial servant after 20 years. I have pretty much stopped my ministry, miss a good proportion of meetings and am slowly working on my family to help them come out of this organisation.

  I have read more and studied more about the religion I was brought up in over the past year and half than I ever did in all the years of my youth and upwards. I have changed my opinion on evolution and the import of science to human progression and mankinds' future.

  Key to this has been this board. The ability to comment freely, ask questions and express whatever opinion I have has been invaluable and incredibly cathartic. I have to thank Simon for bringing this board about and many of the key posters that have been here years. I have been informed by sites like jwfacts, jwsurvey, freeminds, jwsurvey etc. but it is here that I have been able to engage with others, talk to ones and express my feelings when it is impossible to do so to anyone else.

  Thank you Simon, cantleave, Terry, Datadog, besty, Kate, winstonsmith, cedars, jwfacts, ameliaashton, blondie, smiddy, LouBelle, raypublisher, WTWizard, outlaw, Billy the ex, punkofnice, wizzstick, truthseeker, annomaly, st george, leavingwt, 00DAD, atlantis, cofty, leolaia, tech49, confusedandalone, minimus, 88JM and many other posters who have informed, entertained, encouraged, supported, advised and helped me so far.

  This is a fantastic and necessary resource that ranks as one of the top five places any one considering their position as a JW should make a regular point of contact.

  Thank you all for being here.
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  Any active jws, without using the phrase "God must have..." Can you prove that Noah's ark actually happened

  by DuvanMuvan in

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  i have a number of problems with the noah's ark story that i could never find the answer to in the bible and so i thought i could ask here:.

  1.how did noah get animals that are indigenous to areas he could not get to (e,g penguins, koalas, kangaroos, moose etc) .

  2.the flood supposedly happened around 4000 years ago but there is evidence of civilisation dating back a lot further.

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  It didn't put anyone off. It just cannot be answered without at least one "god dunnit".
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  Profiling of an apostate

  by joe134cd in

  1. jw
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  i must admit when i was in, the idea i had of an apostate, was an angry bitter person who would picket out side a convention.

  i was looking on jwservey and found on the respondents to a servey that 54% were either active members or fading members.

  this made me wonder is the organisation underestimating the extent of apostasy.

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  True enough BluesBro but if they can get any evidence of things like celebrating birthdays or Christmas then you are toast regardless of how privately these things are done. If you have any conversations about creation, the flood, prophecy, 607 etc., no matter how vague and non confrontational, then you run the risk of being shopped and having to face the loyalty question.

  I think it is possible to have conversations when you are still trusted but once you fade then any such conversations are far more likely to trigger the aposate response in a dub.

  I would agree however that if you quietly fade and don't rock the boat then there is a reasonable chance you will be left alone. Until they think they have something on you that is....
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  What Ailed Those Pilots ... ?

  by snowbird in

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  the pilots and crew of the missing plane, was something wrong with all of them?.

  sylvia.

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  Possible debris spotted west of Oz....
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  Just got a call from an elder

  by nolongerconfused in

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  so i faded over a year ago...i told the elders that if i needed them i would call them.

  1 year and 3 months later, today, i get a call from an elder who used to be my good friend...he calls and i dont pick up..he leaves a voicemail, saying "hello ____, please call me back at 444-444-4444 whenever you can".

  i was like wow, this has to be one of those calls to get inactive ones back to the memorial.

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  Either that or they are looking to call you out on your loyalty to the GB. Proceed with extreme caution.
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  Profiling of an apostate

  by joe134cd in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i must admit when i was in, the idea i had of an apostate, was an angry bitter person who would picket out side a convention.

  i was looking on jwservey and found on the respondents to a servey that 54% were either active members or fading members.

  this made me wonder is the organisation underestimating the extent of apostasy.

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  Steve has it right. Of course, strictly speaking ones can have doubts and if they are quiet about it then they may not fsce any bother. Strictly speaking, apostasy involves some kind of vocalising of doubts or critical comments. They reality is that if the elders suspect that you have any misgivings about the band of 7 then you are very likely to be the victim of a sustained campaign of entrapment.