So this is the third thread in the past 24 hours that effectively ends up exposing Kate's cognitive dissonance.
No offence meant Kate but can you see a common theme here?
konceptual99
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Theists - does your god DESERVE to be respected or worshipped?
by cantleave inor should she abdicate for lack of action / leadership?.
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Millions die in Natural disasters - God is doing nothing. Do I adopt Anthropomorphism to him?
by KateWild ini do not think god is a'morphic.
god is not human, so hence he does not possess human characteristics, to know god better and to understand him better i study science.
there has been a new discovery of strange signals picked up from black holes and distant supernovae suggest there's more to space-time than einstein believed.
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konceptual99
As Cofty says, bringing these to the table is about as meaningful as an atheist appealing to Dawkin's position as some validation of their opinion.-K99
What cofty says is about as useful as a chocolate fireguard on this thread. He has made one comment and is clearly applying a'morphism to God on his 37 page "God is cruel, because humans suffer" thread, and he did not answer my OP questions when he granted us with his presence on this thread.
What Cofty says cannot apply to this thread I am afraid, unless he decides to say it himself, Dawkins is a fundie and wants to arm peple with his book so they can get atheist converts. Cofty knows what I have read and I have quoted to cofty why I think Dawkins is a fundie, book, page and chapter.
Sorry Kate, Cofty and Besty - I made a mistake. I referred to Cofty when I meant Besty. It was he that raised the point about Dawkins. Anyway the point has nothing to do with Dawkins himself and what you or Cofty think of him. Besty had just pointed out that in the context of the OP, appealing to Einstein's belief is as relevant as an athiest appealing to Dawkins' personal views as justification for their own. The opinions of Einstein or Dawkins towards the existance and nature of any kind of "creator" has absolutely no bearing on how you or I should answer the OP.
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Millions die in Natural disasters - God is doing nothing. Do I adopt Anthropomorphism to him?
by KateWild ini do not think god is a'morphic.
god is not human, so hence he does not possess human characteristics, to know god better and to understand him better i study science.
there has been a new discovery of strange signals picked up from black holes and distant supernovae suggest there's more to space-time than einstein believed.
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I get what you are saying Prologos but the critical factor is where the "creator" steps out of the picture. If the creator is only responsible for the big bang then humans are not a creation with any more meaning than anything else. There is no more benefit in us acknowledging a creator than there is a cat doing so.
If the creator purposed to create mankind then stepped out to leave us to our own devices then again the creator becomes irrelevant. If the creator has a purpose for mankind then he should make it clear. Apologists claim this is done through the Bible but it is clear that the Bible fails to provide a reasonable explanation for why God would allow large scale suffering through natural disasters. "Time and unforseen occurance" is fine in itself but only if you accept that it is pretty immoral to have a God that makes the sun shine so more Bibles can be printed but chooses not to act to protect large numbers of people from needless suffering.
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Millions die in Natural disasters - God is doing nothing. Do I adopt Anthropomorphism to him?
by KateWild ini do not think god is a'morphic.
god is not human, so hence he does not possess human characteristics, to know god better and to understand him better i study science.
there has been a new discovery of strange signals picked up from black holes and distant supernovae suggest there's more to space-time than einstein believed.
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konceptual99
Ultimately there were, are and will be educated scientists who cannot be termed athesist due to their belief in something supernatural in the universe.
As Cofty says, bringing these to the table is about as meaningful as an atheist appealing to Dawkin's position as some validation of their opinion.
The OPs both in this thread and in Cofty's are not about the existance of God (in whatever form) but about the nature of his/her/it's response to natural disaster. The threads are not about the existence of God. So far I have seen nothing in either thread that gives any kind of adequate reasoning as to how one can reconcille the lack of action by God (in whatever form) to natural disasters with a belief that that is a creator that cares or is of sufficent value for us to acknowledge.
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New development in my life
by EdenOne inno longer a ms ........................... can't give details atm, for it might be a dead-giveaway and it ain't quite over yet.
but, it really taught me one thing: if you're trying to fade or stay in, trust no one.
and i mean no one.. eden.
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Do they know about the site? Can you escape a JC?
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2014 DC in DETROIT? anymore info ? scan of the "letter"
by ?me? inso in our area, we have the circuit assemblies going on, so the "letter" about when and where our dc was delayed.
but a local elder let everyone know in their service group, and they let it out of the bag( only to have 30 comments on socal media, and only to be deleted a day later).
not a big deal, right?
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konceptual99
I'll give you a wave 88JM. I am not looking forward to Twickenham at all.
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2014 DC in DETROIT? anymore info ? scan of the "letter"
by ?me? inso in our area, we have the circuit assemblies going on, so the "letter" about when and where our dc was delayed.
but a local elder let everyone know in their service group, and they let it out of the bag( only to have 30 comments on socal media, and only to be deleted a day later).
not a big deal, right?
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konceptual99
I'll give you a wave 88JM. I am not looking forward to Twickenham at all.
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New development in my life
by EdenOne inno longer a ms ........................... can't give details atm, for it might be a dead-giveaway and it ain't quite over yet.
but, it really taught me one thing: if you're trying to fade or stay in, trust no one.
and i mean no one.. eden.
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konceptual99
If you mean the rejoice article then you are toast, and I mean that in the nicest possible way. Quite how you are going to explain that in a JC and not be DF'ed I have no idea.
I really feel for you fella and hope you can salvage something. You will be in many peoples' thoughts here so don't forget the moral support!
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New development in my life
by EdenOne inno longer a ms ........................... can't give details atm, for it might be a dead-giveaway and it ain't quite over yet.
but, it really taught me one thing: if you're trying to fade or stay in, trust no one.
and i mean no one.. eden.
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konceptual99
Sorry to hear you have a bad situation at the moment. I really hope it all works out for the best over time.
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The Pastor of my Old Church Tried to Re-Convert Me Yesterday
by cofty inyesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.
we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.
they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.
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konceptual99
He has stepped aside, either permanently or temporarily [I don't know which] from interveining personally in human affairs. To know or not know beforehand about it is therefore irrelevant.
Would you also accept that God can therefore also not do anything that might be construed as a blessing?