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  Strange Mail...

  by silentlambs in

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  i got my first crank mailing today.

  it was a large envelope containing the following:.

  1. two paper plates together.. 2. plastic fork and spoon.. 3. three small packets of ketchup.. 4. one packet of mayonnaise.. 5. two packets of salt and pepper.. 6. pair of old boxer shorts with the seat ripped out.. no message or writing, perhaps what is listed above is the message in totality.

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  ros

  Tom must have done something to annoy FRED.
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  to Maximus

  by anon in

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  thanks for your most recent e-mail.

  will try again later.. briefly, i do disagree on some points (i am not violent though), agree on some others.

  some i would prefer to discuss privately for sake of my own conscience.

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  Hello, anon:

  Like you, Witnesses invariably ask the question of who is fulfilling the preaching work of Matt.24 & 28.

  May I ask you 2 questions about it?
  1) What do you say the "good news of the kingdom" is?
  2) Why do you believe house-to-house distribution of the Watchtower is preaching?

  I don't ask this to seem antagonistic, I hope it does not seem that way. I'm especially interested in what you say about question 1.

  Ros
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  Do you want the real truth or not?

  by Jason in

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  on this website there seems to be so many lies and so little actual truth.

  is this supposed to be a place to get answers or confuse the hell out of truth seekers?

  well, for you seekers out there, if you find the truth on this site it'll be a major fluke.

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  Jason:
  I agree that you need to identify what lies you are talking about. I agree there is a lot of BS here like anywhere else. You have to sift through the rubble to find the gems.

  Post me if you like: [email protected]
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  Why Mainstreaming Will Win and Reform Won't

  by metatron in

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  sometimes change takes place over many years, in such a subtle.

  and quiet way that those involved may not even discern that a. trend is forming.

  as with social security and retirement issues,.

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  ros

  It used to be that the Watchtower was regarded as infallible, now "no body's perfect".

  It used to be that a person could disassociate and not be shunned. Now, highly conspicuous violators of Organization policy can't even get DF'd, but they're shunned anyway.

  When has the WTS ever NOT reformed? They have just called it "new light" or in the case of the generation change, "more precise understanding". Your term "mainstream" is probably a better term than "reform" for the direction they are headed.
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  Why Mainstreaming Will Win Part Two

  by metatron in

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  i have no quarrel with anyone who wishes to hope for the.

  society's 'reform', i just want to draw attention to the .

  real cause of change by distinguishing reform from mainstreaming.. when someone says 'reform', i think of brave reformers who.

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  ros

  Look at articles in the media praising JW's for benefiting
  humanity because they fought in the courts. These are the
  same folks who love artwork depicting the gruesome mass death
  of their neighbors (remember the Paradise book for kids?).
  Witnesses commonly applaud at conventions when talks describe
  the same thing. We enjoy First Amendment rights because of
  Watchtower arrogance and cult-like clannishness. Good results,
  ugly motives - there's no need for thanks!

  I recently attended an interesting get-together along with some other exWitnesses. One of the speakers astutely brought to our attention just who have benefitted the most from these Watchtower court battles. Is it the average law-abiding morally-concerned citizen as they portray? No! On the contrary. Those who have gained the most from these civil-liberty battles in the courts have been people who insist on such things as the right to publish porn (like Larry Flint), those who want freedom of speech to embrace the right to shout obsenities in public wherever and in front of whomever they please, as well as activists of various non-mainstream groups, including cults. I'm sure all such groups and supporters are grateful for the Watchtower's court victories. Who knows, without their efforts, this forum might not be permitted to employ a big percent of the adjectives used here--how would things and people ever get described?

  On another note:
  While the recent reorganization of the Watchtower Society and resignation of the Governing Body members from the Corporation board has been presented as an amicable decentralization, I don't think so. I suggest it was a coup d'etat by the Society's lawyers at least as significant as when Rutherford wrested the Watchtower corporation away from the Bible Students. I would bet the Governing Body members' resignations were not voluntary; probably met with at least as much resistance as when Knorr and Fred Franz fought the rest of the organization's official GB members when they took control as a whole body in 1975.
  I think the Watchtower Society, as we have known it, has been dismantled before our virtual eyes. The Governing Body is now nothing more than a figurehead to keep the R&F apeased for the time being, not unlike the monarchy in Britain. Brooklyn the Great has fallen!
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  The city of Dan?

  by uncle_onion in

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  i have another question for you xtians.

  please read this verse from the bible as taken from the nwt:.

  *** rbi8 genesis 14:14 ***.

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  ros

  That was an elaboration.
  I just think its amusing that you're addressing your questions to "Xtians" on this board.

  About other BBs:
  Why change? You're in the right place for your objectives. No?
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  Blood Update

  by Lee Elder in

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  we are close to acceptance of publication of a major article in an american medical journal that will.

  open more eyes and doors.. dr. muramoto recently had a letter published in the cma.

  (canadian medical association journal).

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  ros

  Hi, Lee:
  I'll take the liberty of posting your message to H2O as well:
  http://www.aimoo.com/forum/categories.cfm?id=311102&startcat=1&NoCookie=Yes&CategoryID=2967

  Good information.
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  The city of Dan?

  by uncle_onion in

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  i have another question for you xtians.

  please read this verse from the bible as taken from the nwt:.

  *** rbi8 genesis 14:14 ***.

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  ros

  UO:

  If you are seeking belief, the only thing I can say is to investigate the pro-belief studies along with the skeptic beliefs. If you focus only on the skeptics and their arguments against the belief, that is what you will become--I can almost guarantee it.

  "The one who first states a case seems right, until the other comes and cross-examines."--Prov.18:17

  Are you giving equal attention to the arguments of Believers as you are, say, to the points of Thomas Paine? Are you posting your questions to some forums where there are more believers than here? What has indicated to you that you are going to get good "believer" support on this forum? Are you being honest with yourself about what you are really trying to prove?

  These are honest questions, too.
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  The city of Dan?

  by uncle_onion in

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  i have another question for you xtians.

  please read this verse from the bible as taken from the nwt:.

  *** rbi8 genesis 14:14 ***.

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  ros

  Uncle Onion:
  It would help, if you are really interested, to delve into understanding Jewish perception. It was a lot different than "Western thinking". Course it calls for a freer mind than Kent's nationalistic bigotry toward "Americans." But, then, I think you have that.
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  To Ros

  by lauralisa in

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  dear ros,.

  i just finished skimming over a past topic posted by you re "what drives x-jw's to atheism?

  last year (still active jw then) i briefly lurked on h2o and found your posts refreshing, informative, well-articulated and compassionate.

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  Dear lauralisa:

  I was associated with various religions before becoming a JW. Mostly fundamentalists as a teenager. The most influencial was an off-shoot of the Church of Christ.

  You seem to be one searching. Post me privately at:
  [email protected]

  Hope to hear from you,