It appears the arguments will mostly revolve around contract law. Should be interesting.
jwleaks
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FYI- Washington Post article for XJW legal nerds: Excommunication, Buddhists, temple control: An interesting new Supreme Court petition
by AndersonsInfo inhttps://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/12/15/excommunication-buddhists-and-temple-control-an-interesting-new-supreme-court-petition/?utm_term=.6f371ba712ef.
excommunication, buddhists, and temple control: an interesting new supreme court petition.
by eugene volokh the volokh conspiracyopinion.
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FYI, Trump's pick for U. S. Army Secretary is Vincent Viola. What's Viola's connection with the Watchtower?
by AndersonsInfo inhttp://therealdeal.com/2016/12/19/trump-taps-virtu-ceo-brooklyn-real-estate-investor-vincent-viola-for-army-secretary/.
the jehovah’s witnesses’ building at 124 columbia heights (credit: getty images) and vincent viola.
"president-elect donald trump nominated virtu financial ceo — and recent brooklyn real estate investor — vincent viola for secretary of the u.s. army on monday.. "a 1977 west point graduate, viola served with the 101st airborne division at fort campbell, kentucky.
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Watchtower Buildings Haunted by the Ghosts of Children Past
Secretary of the U.S. Army, Vincent Viola, has ordered the round up of all Watchtower officials after Ghostbusters confirmed that the former Watchtower buildings in Brooklyn are haunted by the cries of ghosts of the children past.
It has been estimated that over 20,000 US children, from the Jehovah's Witnesses religion, are keeping Brooklyn residents up at night with cries for justice against the abuse they suffered within the religion of Jehovah's Witnesses.
US Army searching for the leaders of Watchtower
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Amos 3:7 - Who is the prophet?
by jwleaks inwho today claims to be god's prophets?
if the governing body of jehovah's witnesses deny this, or state before onlookers that it would be presumptuous to believe they are the only prophets or only spokesperson that god is using - such as geoffrey jackson's statement at the arc (when taken in the context of the question) - then who does the scriptural statement default to?
christian congregation of jehovah's witnesses:.
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Ruby456 - legal speak is different from religious speak. religious speak exceeds legal definition. Can you imagine if we lived our lives by legal speak - we would simply destroy one another
Here is a scenario: If the Watchtower and jehovah's witnesses appeared before a human rights tribunal or court, that has authority to hear religious claims, against me "jwleaks" because they said I was apostate? Who would the apostate be?
Legal speak?
Religious speak?
What if during the trial the Watchtower and jehovah's witnesses declared under oath, after swearing on the bible, that they do not consider "jwleaks" to be an apostate? What if at the same time I maintained they are the apostates and they did not argue the claim, legally or religiously? Who then would the apostate be?
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Amos 3:7 - Who is the prophet?
by jwleaks inwho today claims to be god's prophets?
if the governing body of jehovah's witnesses deny this, or state before onlookers that it would be presumptuous to believe they are the only prophets or only spokesperson that god is using - such as geoffrey jackson's statement at the arc (when taken in the context of the question) - then who does the scriptural statement default to?
christian congregation of jehovah's witnesses:.
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jwleaks
Who today claims to be God's prophets? If the governing body of jehovah's witnesses deny this, or state before onlookers that it would be presumptuous to believe they are the only prophets or only spokesperson that god is using - such as Geoffrey Jackson's statement at the ARC (when taken in the context of the question) - then who does the scriptural statement default to?
Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses:
For the Sovereign Lord Jehovah will not do a thing unless he has revealed his confidential matter to his servants the prophets.
https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/amos/3/#v30003007
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints:
Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.
Who are the prophets of Amos 3:7?
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Jediism not a religion, UK Charity Commission rules
by HB inthought this might be of interest....... .
from http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38368526.
jediism not a religion, charity commission rules.
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Interestingly "money" is always granted the benefit of a charity status. No doubt because it is worshipped by all religious leaders.
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Have you ever known a holocaust denier? How did you feel about them?
by Esse quam videri ini sometimes did work for a lovely old couple who at times needed repairs done around their home.
my wife and myself spent time with them, having tea and crackers from time to time.
one day the husband and myself got into a conversation and he clearly showed himself to be a holocaust denier.
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jwleaks
Further on my discussions with Ilsa Hess. One time I spoke to her about the decision that Rudolph Hess made when he passed the Nuremberg laws in 1935 which effectively removed the citizenship and rights of the Jews in Germany and paved the way for the holocaust.
Ilsa told me that one day Hess came home excited with a paper that was being given out everywhere by the Bible Students. Hess explained that the paper was critical of the Jews are provided serious claims the race was corrupt. Hess was also greatly disturbed by the paper.
From the time of the events I have been able to identify this paper as the 1933 Declaration of Facts prepared by Rutherford. Rutherford should have kept his mouth shut. The Nazi party had already seized and then returned Watch Tower's buildings but this was an action consistant in the Magdeburg area with other buildings as well. Hitler wanted to build his headquarters in the town.
Ilsa agreed that the eager support of the Nazi party by the Bible Students, their use of the Swastika flag on Watch Tower buildings, and the Declaration of Facts, could have influenced Hess towards the new laws he put in place about 18 months later which targetted the Jews. These laws led to the holocaust. Little wonder Watchtower leaders have spent do much time playing the persecution card and rewriting their own history to make themselves the victims and not the one's who encouraged and promoted the hatred of the Jews.
Rutherford tried to protect his power by attacking the Jews, the US government, Britain, the League of Nations and then, in his stupidity he attacked Adolph Hitler personally. The mosquito buzzed too close to the ear and went for blood. All the while Rutherford enjoyed his distance from Germany in luxury of his Beth-Sarim mansion while awaiting the resurrection of the holy ones who he 'claimed' he built the mansion for. This left the Bible Students as a target.
There is a good article on this time period written by James Penton.
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Have you ever known a holocaust denier? How did you feel about them?
by Esse quam videri ini sometimes did work for a lovely old couple who at times needed repairs done around their home.
my wife and myself spent time with them, having tea and crackers from time to time.
one day the husband and myself got into a conversation and he clearly showed himself to be a holocaust denier.
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jwleaks: ... I did personally know Ilse Hess, wife of Rudolph Hess, Deputy Führer to Adolf Hitler. She died in 1995 in Victoria, Australia, in my home town. She knew my grandmother, Oma, who also came to Australia after WW2. My Oma was the granddaughter of King Leopold II of the Belgians. Ilse's revelations to me about the JWs, aka Bible Students, were in complete contrast to Watchtower's own sanitised historical revisionism.
That is very interesting.Would you be able to expand on those contrasting revelations? Thanks
Rudolph Hess, apart from being Deputy Führer to Hitler, was also the editor of Hitler's Mein Kampf which was written while they were both in prison.According to Ilsa one the influences on Mein Kampf was a German translation of book in the prison library - Studies in the Scriptures volume 7, The Finished Mystery. At the time the writings of Rutherford and the Watchtower were very critical of jews and blacks.Also, which is quite ironic, the jehovah's witnesses, or bible students as they were then known, went greatly ignored by the Nazi party during the lead up to and commencement of WW2. They were not singled out for persecution or attack. They were tolerated if not ignored. If you look up the early JW yearbooks you will find that the Watchtower Society courted Hitler and offered public support to the ideologies of the Nazi party prior to WW2 recognising they they shared a common ideology. Things changed when Hitler commenced building and land acquisition, including a watchtower owned building.Watchtower Society president, JF Rutherford, launched a broadside attack on Hitler by rallying jehovah's witnesses around the world to send telegrams to Hitler threatening him and telling him that their god will destroy him.When I discussed these events with Ilsa one afternoon she explained that no one in the Nazi party had any real idea who all these telegrams and threats were from or why they were arriving. However, Hess knew who they actually were. Rutherford and the Watchtower were simply a a noisy mosquito in the room waiting to be swatted. Had Rutherford kept his mouth shut and not meddled in the political affairs of this world things might have changed on the world stage.Ilsa told me that both Rudolph Hess and Adolph Hitler eventually decided that the Watchtower, aka bible students, and Rutherford were trying to cause divisions on behalf of the US government. The irony at the time was that Hess was an avid reader of Rutherford's books. According to Ilsa her husband did not view the bible students as a threat or problem but Hitler did not like to be threatened. The bible students made the black list and eventually suffered, although not to the extent Watchtower has made out.I asked Ilsa "if the bible students never threatened Hitler and the Nazi party, would that have changed history?" I got an answer. The telegrams were the straw that broke the camel's back and caused a deadly reaction.In my opinion, Rutherford and the jehovah's witnesses around the world share the blame in stirring up trouble when none existed. I wonder how many lives were lost because the jehovah's witnesses meddled in politics. When Jesus was on earth he threatened no ruler with removal and always said his kingdom was no part of this world. Rutherford set up his kingdom as part of this world and seized the rulership for himself by having those on the board of directors of Watch Tower who did not support him removed. Then he out and secretly commissioned the writing of The Finished Mystery book and attributed it's origin to Christ. Stupid, stupid man.Rutherford had Hitler threatened with removal, albeit by so-called divine action. Interestingly it was Rutherford himself who was removed first. He beat Hitler to the grave. -
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Have you ever known a holocaust denier? How did you feel about them?
by Esse quam videri ini sometimes did work for a lovely old couple who at times needed repairs done around their home.
my wife and myself spent time with them, having tea and crackers from time to time.
one day the husband and myself got into a conversation and he clearly showed himself to be a holocaust denier.
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No. However I did personally know Ilse Hess, wife of Rudolph Hess, Deputy Führer to Adolf Hitler. She died in 1995 in Victoria, Australia, in my home town. She knew my grandmother, Oma, who also came to Australia after WW2. My Oma was the granddaughter of King Leopold II of the Belgians. Ilse's revelations to me about the JWs, aka Bible Students, were in complete contrast to Watchtower's own sanitised historical revisionism. Ah ... the burdens of the past we carry.
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Here's a morbid thought...
by Rainbow_Troll init probably will never happen but... imagine the gb recieved some new light that told them the great tribulation was imminent.
the world is going to hell and all jws can expect until armageddon is terrible persecution the likes of which no christian has ever experienced in two thousand years.
but jehovah has a solution: put yourself and your family 'to sleep' and after armageddon's over, jehovah will 'wake his people up' at the resurrection.
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jwleaks
The closer the governing body believe they get to judgment day (i.e. the day the truth about the truth is fully exposed) the more they will seize assets, ask or beg for more money, sell off the church real estate and bunker down in a country retreat.
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Why isnt the overlapping generation( interpretation), consistently applied to these scriptures.?
by smiddy inwhy does the wt interpret matt.24:34 "truly i say to you this generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur.
" as having overlapping generations ?
and not applying the same reasoning to any other scripture/s referring to a generation or this generation .?
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Clearly jehovah is a lap god. Not to be confused with a fap god or a lap dog or a rap god.