You are perceptive Phizzy. My wife, parents are very dedicated JWs. I have 2 young girls being raised in it. I struggle with when and what to do. I want us to exit together, but if that does not happen, I hate the thought of my kids being subjected to go to the KH with their mother. The best I can do is provide a alternative way of looking at things and teach them there is nothing wrong with thinking for yourself. I will teach them to be critical thinkers and question authority. I don't know exactly how I will, but I must. I can only hope that when I stop going to the KH, my wife will in time stop too when she sees the lack of love. I will have to stand up and sign them up for after school activities, sports etc.. And let them have non Jw friends. my wife will likely resent me for it, but I have to take a stand sometime. My parents are a lost cause, so yes yoprobably do hear some despair because of my very tough situation. but believe me I have hope too!
Posts by BU2B
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34The WT's biggest deception?
by BU2B init just dawned on me that one of if not the most deceptive thing that the wt convinces the members of is that the truth does not stand up to investigation.
they teach that lies trump truth.
the reality of course is something entirely different.
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Forcing child to watch JW.org kid's videos?
by Darth Fader The Sequel inwe recently were visiting lifelong friends of ours in another state.
these people are uber-devoted jw's.
i mean they are prototypical "witness zombies" who do exactly what the gb tell them to without fail and always with a smile on their face.
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BU2B
It is frustrating isn't it? it's sad to see good hearted people trapped in this merciless cult and worse to see young children be slowly indoctrinated. The good news is it can be reversed much easier in children before the teen years.
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The height of delusion on display at last Tuesdays meeting...
by BU2B ini literally just sat there with my mouth open.
sometimes the delusional mind of jws takes steroids.. it was during the draw close to jehovah study where they praise the mosaic law and how perfectly wonderful it was.
you should have seen the almost giddy attitude the conductor had and the comments from the audience.
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BU2B
How Ironic that the CBS mentioned that the Israelites did not engage in wanton slaughter and rape, yet the weeks assingned bible reading showcases that very thing! What a mindf*&k.
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The height of delusion on display at last Tuesdays meeting...
by BU2B ini literally just sat there with my mouth open.
sometimes the delusional mind of jws takes steroids.. it was during the draw close to jehovah study where they praise the mosaic law and how perfectly wonderful it was.
you should have seen the almost giddy attitude the conductor had and the comments from the audience.
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BU2B
They like to say that Jehovah did not promote polygamy, only tolerate it. Well when you divide 32000 women among men who most likely already have wives, what is that?? Jehovah commanded them to take the women as SPOILS OF WAR FOR YOURSELVES!
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The height of delusion on display at last Tuesdays meeting...
by BU2B ini literally just sat there with my mouth open.
sometimes the delusional mind of jws takes steroids.. it was during the draw close to jehovah study where they praise the mosaic law and how perfectly wonderful it was.
you should have seen the almost giddy attitude the conductor had and the comments from the audience.
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Suavojr- You are so right. I just read numbers 31. Can you imagine the horrible screams as people were slaughtered? Can you imagine the amount of blood? Can you imagine!!! Anyone who defends this is a moral reprobate.
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The height of delusion on display at last Tuesdays meeting...
by BU2B ini literally just sat there with my mouth open.
sometimes the delusional mind of jws takes steroids.. it was during the draw close to jehovah study where they praise the mosaic law and how perfectly wonderful it was.
you should have seen the almost giddy attitude the conductor had and the comments from the audience.
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BU2B
I literally just sat there with my mouth open. Sometimes the delusional mind of JWs takes steroids.
It was during the Draw close to Jehovah study where they praise the Mosaic law and how perfectly wonderful it was. You should have seen the almost giddy attitude the conductor had and the comments from the audience. The source material was bad enough, but the comments went even further.
One brother said something to the effect of, "In modern wars we see civilians involved in the conflict getting raped and killed, it was not like that with Jehovahs army, they only killed when Jehovah told them to. They were pagans so they deserved to die!" WTF?? What a contadiction. He drew a comparison to modern wars that involve civilians, trying to say that Jehovahs not like that, yet they went from city to city killing everyone man and beast!
I also did not like that they claimed that the Israelites did not rape. While they may not have done it on the spot, in many cases the virgins were forced to marry the very soldiers they just witnessed kill their parents and siblings. They could pick out those "beautiful in form" "all who they chose" What if she did not want to have sex with her new husband? He wouldnt force himself on her would he?
Another comment went something like this- "We see armies of the past like the Gauls, Mongols, Attila the Hun. They went from city to city brutalizing people and slaughtering them and taking the women. Jehovahs army was loving. They offered surrender and only killed them if they refused!" WTF?? I must have missed where they gave the cannanites the chance to surrender.. In fact as I recall, Joshua got pretty pissed when the Gibeonites devised their plan to avoid being slaughtered like animals!
Even when I believed, such comments would seem to me to come from mentally comprimised persons.
In the paragraph it said that unlike other armies of the time, they did not engage in wanton slaughter!! How do they figure that? No explanation for that one..
It was sick to see people in the 21st century justify such stone age thinking. The whole lesson was sick. They praise a law that advocated slavery, torture and capital punishment for disrespecting your parents. JWs really want to be under the law so bad, they wish they could be. They enjoy living under the modern day talmud of the WT.
On the bright side, many did not raise their hands and I suspect a good portion had the same thoughts I did. I know for a fact that many JWs struggle with the barbarism of the OT. I know I did. Unlike other religions, the GB do not try to forget about the barbarism, they highlight it and praise it as good!
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ISIS are they making Jehovah's heart happy
by confusedandalone ini am hearing alot of so-called muslims and christians so upset over the atrocities isis is committing.
it is all over the place how awful they are.
mainstream muslims are declaring that such actions are horrible!!
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BU2B
I third that. They are no different than the ancient Israelites. In fact I would argue they are not nearly as bad, since they do not slaughter ENTIRE CITIES wholesale.
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The WT's biggest deception?
by BU2B init just dawned on me that one of if not the most deceptive thing that the wt convinces the members of is that the truth does not stand up to investigation.
they teach that lies trump truth.
the reality of course is something entirely different.
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If they were the truth, they could take a site like Jwfacts and debunk it page by page and point by point. They cannot do that, so they resort to name calling, ad hominem, attacking the motive and other logical fallacies and unreasoning phobias to muddy the waters.
JWs are kept ignorant of many things, such as past teachings, flip flops, UN NGO, child abuse etc. If the WT were honest they would be more transparent. However their deception runs so deep and the rabbit hole goes down so far that everything would crumble.
For example, if they were honest about 607 vs 586 dates their whole religion would fall apart. The fundemental teaching is that Jesus returned to earth invisibly and selected drunken racist Joe Rutherford as his "faithful and wise servant" in 1919 based on the "spiritual food" he was dispensing at the time, including the "Millions now living will never die" 1925 false prophecy and the laughably arrogant and asinine "Finished Mystery" book. If you dont believe that, the whole thing crumbles and they are not "the channel". Its either true or it isnt. The preaching work and increasing numbers are not any proof, since if that was evidence the LDS church would be even more Gods channel because they have double the members in about the same time of existence, grow at a higher rate, and also preach. Doctrines do not matter to a JW although they believe in them and will argue you about them. If a QFR came out tomorrow that changed a key teaching, they would all go along and believe that too. All that matters is loyalty to the leadership of the organization. Nothing else matters.
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"Jehovah's Witnesses do better after surgery without transfusion" - Article (July 3, 2012)
by Da.Furious inthis article from 2012 published by the birmingham news showed up on my facebook page.. what i would have liked to see in the statistics is the inclusion of total jws refusing blood transfusion and their survival rate not only the ones taht surviced, taking about only survivors is not like for like comparison in my opinion with patients who take blood transfusion and then dont survive.. .
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BU2B
That article is disgraceful. It shows no respect and no mention for the thousands who have died needlessly due to the mind control/undue infuence tactics of the WT.
Of course it is better to avoid transfusions if you can, but in many cases there is no other choice. Shameful article. I would not be suprised if the writer was a JW working at the paper.
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The WT's biggest deception?
by BU2B init just dawned on me that one of if not the most deceptive thing that the wt convinces the members of is that the truth does not stand up to investigation.
they teach that lies trump truth.
the reality of course is something entirely different.
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Not at all Island man! I appreciate it and take it as a compliment.