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The real reason allegations of child abuse among JW's are not reported
by jeremiah18:5-10 inthis is my opinion, i don't have official quotes or official instructions to back this up.
what i have is real life experience of having been an elder that was involved in investigating an allegation of child abuse, why we didn't report, why we didn't encourage the parents to report.. its simple really, the main reason elders don't report is concern that they may lose their position in the congregation.
if you in any way "run ahead" of the society, you will be perceived as proud and arrogant and will be deleted!
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The real reason allegations of child abuse among JW's are not reported
by jeremiah18:5-10 inthis is my opinion, i don't have official quotes or official instructions to back this up.
what i have is real life experience of having been an elder that was involved in investigating an allegation of child abuse, why we didn't report, why we didn't encourage the parents to report.. its simple really, the main reason elders don't report is concern that they may lose their position in the congregation.
if you in any way "run ahead" of the society, you will be perceived as proud and arrogant and will be deleted!
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Farkel
YeahI thought about that wording in the title after I posted. You're right, I really should have posted "my opinion why....." Sorry to mislead you, it wasn't intentional.i
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The real reason allegations of child abuse among JW's are not reported
by jeremiah18:5-10 inthis is my opinion, i don't have official quotes or official instructions to back this up.
what i have is real life experience of having been an elder that was involved in investigating an allegation of child abuse, why we didn't report, why we didn't encourage the parents to report.. its simple really, the main reason elders don't report is concern that they may lose their position in the congregation.
if you in any way "run ahead" of the society, you will be perceived as proud and arrogant and will be deleted!
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This is my opinion, I don't have official quotes or official instructions to back this up. What I have is real life experience of having been an elder that was involved in investigating an allegation of child abuse, why we didn't report, why we didn't encourage the parents to report.
Its simple really, the main reason elders don't report is concern that they may lose their position in the congregation. If you in any way "run ahead" of the society, you will be perceived as proud and arrogant and WILL BE DELETED! The same reason exists for parents of the child, if they report, they are uncovering the sins of their brother and disregarding the authority of the congregation.
It doesn't have to do with a two witness rule, although this is a factor in covering your ass (position). The only reason even close to being noble is what if the allegation is false and not wanting to heap false accusations on a brother. Once again, as is common in WT land, the consciences of the weak dominate that of the many. The overriding philosophy is, the strong can handle being done wrong, the weak can't.
The matter I was a part of investigating involved a 13-14 yo teen boy (babtized) that had been babysitting another couple's children. The little girl involved was 2-3. The mother, when giving her a bath, noticed sensitivity, redness, and aggravation around the girls privates. The parents began to search their minds as to what may have happened. The only conclusion they could arrive at was this young boy. They approached us, we formed a committe and investigated. The young boy denied having done anything inappropriate, although with time, he conjectured, "well maybe this could've happened or that couldve happened, but by accident....I noticed her playing with a toy in the bath in that area, maybe that as it."
We called bethel as directed, we were told thereas nothing we could do but give stern counsel and warning. Also were instructed to hive stern counsel and warning to the parents of the girl not to divulge this info or risk being accused of slander. To trust the "slave" direction and holy spirit and to sue for peace.
This really left mefeeling conflicted and empty inside. After the closing of the committee investigation, I privately approached the parents and encouraged them to consider going to the authorities for a more professional opinion and investigation. I was very apprehensive to do so, I knew that if the parents were at all offended by my notion of contradicting the directioi from the slave, that I would definitely lose my position as an elder. This weighed heavily on me, in fact I'm ashamed to say it weighed almost as heavily as the well-being of that girl and her parents.
Idon't know absolutely if the boy was guilty of anything. But that's the point, I wasn't really qualified to ascertain that. Those involved seemed content with the outcome, which made all of us elders breathe a sigh of relief. The thing is, was the little girl satisfied? Will she have long reaching effects from this? That thought wasn't really considered.I'm mashamed to have been a part of this whole sham of an investigation. The whole objective was to keep peace, to save face, and to keep our positions. We were not a shelter from the wind. Those parents chose not to go to the police, they did get counseling, as did the boy.
personally believe that my experience is not unique and that the factors listed are the overriding and dominant factors considered in every case. There isn't any real concern for victims or their ffamilies. Only keep peace, don't offend the weak, don't soil gods name, and by all means keep our position as elders.
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always apostasy?
by losingit inso i've been reading many posts and threads of people's experiences leaving the jw fold.
i get the impression that many here were df'd or da'd due to apostasy.
is there anyone here that found out ttat after being df'd for a reason other than apostasy?
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I was df'd for reasons other than apostasy. I continued for 4 years efforting to return. I concluded I was only doing so for family reasons. I determined the only way I could really do it properly was to be drawn by Jehovah. So I started reading the bible, the Christian scriptures specifically. I used the amplified version along with NWT. My eyes were opened as I read. I avoided using WT literature and dismissed preconceived beliefs. It was thru this that I learned ttatt. I never read any apostate literature or websites to that point, only gods word with an open mind. Now here I am, never to return to WT. Apostacy had nothing to do with it.
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In the interest of sticking to the facts, TM was 5'11
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Again, the leap is made to assume GZ was "chasing" TM. He followed to maintain visual contact so as to report to the police where the guy was. That is not chasing. GZ did not attempt apprehension, at least there is no evidence to support that. GZ did not wait to call police until after apprehending or attempting to apprehend. I think you are missing key elements yourself Finklestein. We can only go by the evidence and testimony, logical leaps or filling in gaps or connecting the dots is reasonable doubt and the defendant gets the assumption of innocence not guilt. Thank God!!!!
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Worf there were no "official instructions not to get out of his car". If it was GZ intent to shoot TM then why call police first? Youre assertion does not make any sense and you misrepresent the evidence. I am sad that TM lost his life, I feel bad for his parents but that doesn't make it right to place fault on GZ for seeking to protect his neighborhood and to call police about a suspicious person, whether criminally profiled or not. Two wrongs don't make a right.
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Perhaps they will be more inclined to actually help when someone is crying for help so that a shooting may not occur.
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Don't ever....ever...EVER forget these came from the FDS and Governing Body
by Terry inwe do well to bear in mind that among the drugs, serums, vaccines, surgical operations, etc., of the medical profession, there is nothing of value save an occasional surgical proceedure.
their so-called "science" grew out of egyptian black magic and has not lost its demonological character.... we shall be in a sad plight when we place the welfare of the race in their hands.
[1] 1. the golden age, aug. 5, 1931, p. 727.. the journal of the a. m. a. is the vilest sheet that passes the united states mail.... nothing new and useful in theraputics escapes its unqualified condemnation.
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I think the only "positive" thing I can say about any of those quotes or positions is, they used to be pretty bold and took a position regardless of whether politically correct or not. Today they seem to be as politically correct as any other form of media, with watered-down articles and very little strong positions aside from putting down education and apostates. Even their articles on education are not that strong, they take a stronger position verbally than they do in written form, probably intentionally as verbal arguments are much easier to dismiss whereas the written word is more permanent (although now with the WT going mainly to digital media they can revise anything they get heat on).
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What's The STRANGEST Thing You've Seen At A Kingdom Hall?
by minimus ini saw a fight break out on the platform between an elder and a unbelieving husband who accused the elder of f---ing his wife.
he then threw the lectern on the floor and pushed the elder.
it was cool.......
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On at least two occasions my dad fell asleep at bad times. Once conducting the book study at a house that the family kept the house like 80-85 degrees. Everyone waited patiently until my mom pinched his leg and woke him up. On another occasion he fell asleep as the WT reader. Hilarious. Oh yeah, on another occasion he passed gas very loudly while being the WT reader, all of this while being an elder. My brother's and I found him to be hilarious. He didn't care, he had no problem laughing at himself.