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  Did You Ever Find The Theolgy of JWs Reasonable?

  by minimus in

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  when i was a young man growing up in the religion, i would try to defend whatever the understanding of a doctrine was.

  i won a lot of arguments based on the idea that i knew better than anyone i was talking to and defended myself admirably.

  (lol)....eventually, i realized i was in a cult but for many years i was a believer and i had faith that the gb knew more that i could understand..

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  Even as a kid it didnt hang together. Ive only been aware just how non coherant it all is in recent years though back then just thought i hate this and dont want to be part of it
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  The laziness of JW parents....

  by stuckinarut2 in

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  it struck me that the society has created a culture of lazy jw parenting.. rather than parents being there to guide and direct and help their children through all stages of life, the gb / society has become the "go-too" for everything.. if the child has an issue, there is a wt article for that.. does the child need help with something else?

  ah, there is a caleb and sophia cartoon for that.. what about that other topic?

  ah, there is a book for that.. so rather than being present parents, the average jw parent simply outsources their parenting to the organization!

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  Add to that home schooling equals no education. No school clubs or hobbies to encourage no outtings to help them learn any spare time get knocking doors
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  Cheap Shots Fired

  by Wake Me Up Before You Jo-Ho in

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  when @brian j’s “bullet in the head” thread went live (https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/4747450574176256/session-8-bullet-head) those written shots echoed in my mind.

  a week later while overhearing a bible study, the conductor was asked if god really has given us “free will”.

  but if someone ever put a gun to my head and asked me to renounce my faith as a jehovah’s witness, i would die.”.

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  One slight hitch with your original scenario women will never be allowed to be study conductors
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  Please Switch Off Your Critical Thinking

  by pale.emperor in

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  i have an uneasy feeling inside that something is coming this year or the next.

  perhaps a new big announcement that turns jwdom on it's head.. we've seen the statement in the watchtower november 15th, 2013 which said:.

  watchtower november 15th, 2013 - page 20, paragraph 17.. .

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  Sorry re awful spelling in last post, I sometimes have to fight my 5 yr old for the tablet. I think any measures will be subtle and gradual, they know there is dissent and many hang in by a thread. Cart witnessing and internet are in many ways genius, you don't have to bother training the masses to deal with logical opposition just teach them to stick their fingers in their ears lalala. It also appeals to the older people who make up most of their numbers now. Too ill to go to a meeting? Too infirm to drive at night ? No issue just listen in and we can still count you as there. Mobility to bad to walk up stairs, lack confidence to talk to people, no problem sit by a cart with your mates and drink coffee. My folks love the changes.

  One thing they haven't factored in was if you discourage people from doing a real job and from attending the contributions will go down _ its easier to stick change in a box than make a larger donation online. They will also find fewer and less valuable legacies which they depend on. Inccidently they talked my parents into gift aiding some of their legacy telling them the other beneficiaries would be better off, we won't be its done us out of about £10k so watch this scam too.

  My other thought was that a new rule that divorcing your non JW spouse becoming an acceptable reason for divorce could also see that happening
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  Please Switch Off Your Critical Thinking

  by pale.emperor in

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  i have an uneasy feeling inside that something is coming this year or the next.

  perhaps a new big announcement that turns jwdom on it's head.. we've seen the statement in the watchtower november 15th, 2013 which said:.

  watchtower november 15th, 2013 - page 20, paragraph 17.. .

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  Ive often wondered if they will sell bunker places at one stage i even wondered if thats what warwick would be used for a final call of give us your goids and we will give you shelter from armagedeon. Doubt tithing its just too churchy for them. May charge for downloads or conventions could see that happening. I also agree re strickter shunning rules maybe forbidding all exucation and employment outside arganisation i think it will be about separating off from non jw s
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  Celebrations?

  by Freedom rocks in

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  does anyone celebrate valentines day since leaving the borg?

  and which other celebrations if any do you now take part in?.

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  The whole schbang except halloween which is just nasty. Whats the point being out if you dont have some of the perks. I feel to see it as being told when to celebtate misses the point and shows how in fear of control so many are understandably. The main difference is choice- i can celebrate xmas in june if i wish but i chose to buy presents, dec the house etc. The formal festival days just focus us on each other or mother/ father whatever.

  I think for me its also been such a normalising thing after feeling i was always on the outside of it all. Festivals bring people together.
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  Did you become more antisocial after waking up?

  by paradiseseeker in

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  i've been shy my whole life, but during my teenage years and early 20s i managed to be more comfortable socializing and made many friends in different parts of my country (jws of course).

  that was before i woke up, because i saw myself being a jw for the rest of my life and thus i made an effort to meet new jw friends.

  however, after i woke up, i lost interest in meeting new people because knowing that when i leave they will be gone... feels like a total waste of time and energy.

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  Definitely feel social skills aren't great due to being born in. I also think JW teaches you to be really wary of people whilst being your friend on one level their loyalty is to the organization and is conditional so you can never comp!eyely be yourself around JW friends. Treat the social thing as a skill to squire, start to chat to people be friendly and see where it goes. The rules are different on the outside for one thing the male/female divide is far less apparent. There is more diversity within outside groups. Much of non JW socialising revives around celebrations birthdays, Christmas etc so by being part of one you are part the other
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  Out of the mouths of babes...

  by pale.emperor in

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  conversation with my 3yo this morning:.

  me: hey, it's <friend in her nursery> birthday in a few days.

  her: jehovah doesn't like birthdays.

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  My 5yr old had a go at my JW parents for not celebrating Christmas because

  'Grandad you are very naughty and you should celebrate it'

  Equally when she returned after her party and met her cousin and said ' its my birthday why didn't you come' cousin who is 3 snarled " because birthdays are bad" mine looked completely puzzled and replied " no their fun I've got cake and presents"

  I found the whole exchange really sad to be that indoctrinated at 3.
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  Have you ever gone back to a meeting out of curiosity?

  by stuckinarut2 in

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  just wondering if anyone has gone back to a meeting out of curiosity?

  (perhaps to an area far from your old khall where you know no one).

  with all the changes from 2012 onwards (videos, tv screens, new meeting format, new songs etc) it would be an odd experience to be in attendance!.

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  SummerAngel

  I get w hat you mean with this and yeah sometimes been curious but not enough to go. Last KH was for my brothers wedding 5 yrs back. Struck me how stilted it all was. No joy in the talk or music just 1 dreadful JW wedding song not allowed to deviate from set song or talk outline. The levels of control were unnecessary and ridiculous but no one in it could see it.

  I've also noticed when I've occasionally collected my parents how the men automatically loosen their ties, remove jackets etc as they leave as if they've been forced to sit and behave and are now free. Its so shallow their so called spirituality lasts the 1.75 hrs of the meeting and not a moment more.
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  What would you say?

  by Freedom rocks in

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  if you had 2 minutes with an old witness friend or with a family member to convince them the 'truth' is a lie and the gb isnt being directed by god what would you say to get their attention that might make them question their beliefs?.

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  SummerAngel

  I agree there's no magic bullet but I did elicit a wonderful confused response when I posed the following question:

  If the GB demands something that contradicts scripture who do you follow God or man?

  Also, can you give me an example from scripture where Jesus disfellowshiped someone? Linked to this re prodigal son if a person confesses their sins why do they still nerd to sit at the back for a year?