Posts by TheWonderofYou

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What were Satan and his demons "doing" up in heaven, before being "cast down" in 1914?

by Dunedain in

i was just thinking about how the wts has been spouting off for years that satan and his demons were cast down to the vicinity of the earth in 1914, but really, when you think about it, what was the difference before 1914 or after 1914?.

its not like satan and his demons did not have access to the earth.

satan and his demons always were messing with earth.

TheWonderofYou

But Satan knew that it was difficult enough to spread "worldly thoughts" and "weird spirit" from distant heaven and destroy humanity. So he very much dreamt of coming closer to earth, and so he made an uproar in heaven (a fratricidal war, what he had learned from men).

MICHAEL CHRIST had not calculated such an uproar to take place 2. October 1914, it was the day of Christ Michael planned to end the gentile times after all and it was Christ day of enthronement as king of the universial and heavenly kingdom but sadly Satan destroyed Christs most beautiful day of his enthronement, completely. The First day of Christs kingdom was the worst that Michael Christ ever had, his own brother (Satan was his brother) wanted to kill him and bond him, and the kille the lovely angels, it was war against theocracy.

What then happend was excactly what Satan wanted to achieve:

He wanted (it was calculated) to be thrown out heaven and to be bonded in the vicinity of the earth, Why?

So he could not influence people only by worldy thoughts-spirit but actually be "bodily present" called bogey, though invisible, but very close for him to be in good position to watch man doing weird things and killing themselves.

Finally Satan could than beginning with 2.Oct.1914 personally take part in the World war and fight with human weapons for the first time, he killed many and liked it. He throw personally the atomic bombs.

Although nobody believes me, this must be happend, and as Russel said this must be a confirmation because it got worse and worse, better weapns were invented and the world lived in such a danger.

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What were Satan and his demons "doing" up in heaven, before being "cast down" in 1914?

by Dunedain in

i was just thinking about how the wts has been spouting off for years that satan and his demons were cast down to the vicinity of the earth in 1914, but really, when you think about it, what was the difference before 1914 or after 1914?.

its not like satan and his demons did not have access to the earth.

satan and his demons always were messing with earth.

TheWonderofYou

It was at Bethel Brooklyn, 2nd Oct. 1914 when a group of handfull anointed who believed that they would be immediately raptured if the gentile times ended held its morning worship, when absolutely happened nothing.

The bethel family under the leadership of Russel prayed and speculated but neither Christ began to reign nor Satan appeared.

The only thing that happened was that Russelit bibelstudents sat together, Russel talked to the bethelbrothers that the GENTILE TIMES had ended and speculated about the meaning of the year 1914, insofar as he said that the outbreak of the war in July or August 1914 was the confirmation that the "theocracy rule in heaven" had begun.

But note: The WordWar I had just begun months before Satan was thrown out of the heaven (what must have happened 2 October 1914, the day when Christ began to reign) because the WW1 began on 28. July, 1914 and not on 2nd October 1914.

This confirms that the World-War I began before the kingdom was established in heaven on 2. October 1914 and Satan was not yet in the vicinity of the Earth. He was not the Warlord, the men did a weird job alone.

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But what could Satan have done while he watched the murdering of the heir apparant and the outbreak of such a big war?

Satan liked wars and he watched them like we watch movies. He wanted to improve his techniques in all possible wickedness and he learned them all from men. He watched so many wars, the slaughters, battles.... But Satan liked most watching how christian killed christians in the Thirty Years War.

Brothers against brothers of christian nations fought against each other bestially. He like how the women and children suffered and how the bloodthrusty man thought that killing would be a whole ware, a whole act, because they were APOSTATES, he like fighting as duty.

He learned in Hussite wars, balkan wars, silesian wars, turk-seldjukian-wars, crussades... each century was a new experience for him, his bloodthirst could not be stilled. His most time Satan spent in watcht men killing each other. Nobody could fulfill Satans lust for watching more hardcore wars.

So Satan hacked out a plan how he could fulfill his dreams, mostly he liked that brothers killed each other, so he firstly influenced religious people to hate APOSTATES, Sunni should kill Shia-muslim and of course Kurds-apostates and all kuffar=unbelievers if they are not obidient, protestant should kill catolics and vice-versa and so on, they only would do that if they strongly believe the brother is an apostate.

So while Satan was in heaven he could only spiritually influence earth and this he did mostly by cultic mind control. That was already very effective and so the world was wicked and whored.

An ongoing story.

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Sheep and the Goats - The Light Gets Brighter

by nmthinker in

perhaps some of you remember a new understanding of the sheep and the goats in the epic march 2015 wt study edition - specifically the article "loyally supporting christ's brothers".. while this article was studied many months ago, it was instrumental in helping me wake up.

during my study of the 2015 article i recalled that we had just revised our understanding of the sheep and the goats a few years ago and this caused me to research the real progression of the jw understanding of this parable.

i put the results of my research in an excel spreadsheet.. .

TheWonderofYou

Some decades ago an elder has been disfellowshipped because he had another understanding about who was the sheep and the goat class, but I cant remember exactly what.

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What were Satan and his demons "doing" up in heaven, before being "cast down" in 1914?

by Dunedain in

i was just thinking about how the wts has been spouting off for years that satan and his demons were cast down to the vicinity of the earth in 1914, but really, when you think about it, what was the difference before 1914 or after 1914?.

its not like satan and his demons did not have access to the earth.

satan and his demons always were messing with earth.

TheWonderofYou

What was the difference between before and after 1914?

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My Explanation of God.

by LAWHFol in

i am a theist & this is my version of god.. instead of using the term god, i'll use "unseen presence".. this unseen presence, is perfect in every way.

this presence is so perfect it can seem a bit boring.this perfection can be seen in the laws of science, for example gravity.. it does not sometimes work, depending on the mood of some one in the sky, it always works, perfectly.

gravity does not get angry and decide to stop working, and cause the death of innumerable living beings, it just works, through thick or thin, it is reliable.. what allows this unseen presence to remain perfect, is the fact that it does not act based on emotion, or strategy or regret.. it acts based on law, mathematical law.. this unseen presence is not partial to jews or muslims or jw's it is completely impartial at all times, to everything that exists.

TheWonderofYou

Everything that is know to exist, is a result of the Unseen Presence.
The original commandment is not seen, it is Known by All.. ....evolution

The " original commandement" -idea you mention sounds similar to the idea in catolic theology that god planted a "demand" or "call" in the human soul and in all creation, a "longing" to answer the creator, a principal good soul, the consciousness, the instinct (or prinicpal determination)

It could be further compared to the idea that our cosmos has "a direction" or "a thrive" iwhereto it goes or develops itself while it unvisible but constantly follows a commandment.

In this notion basic principle that is behind the cosmos has no personal connation at all (a personal god is not necessary like in buddism) any commandment that seems to be good, is only our subjective awareness.

The original commandment (as unseen presence) would certainly for it self alone not presume or advance the evolution of life or human intelligence it it was not "commanded" some tiny unseen quark or basic god part?

From acertainable effects or attributes of the "unseen presence"/commandements" [the essence/nature of it] we reason the existence of the unseen presence, we do what we can.

'Wether this is only a logical conclusion in our thoughts or this is a scientifically empirically verifiable experience is another question.

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My Explanation of God.

by LAWHFol in

i am a theist & this is my version of god.. instead of using the term god, i'll use "unseen presence".. this unseen presence, is perfect in every way.

this presence is so perfect it can seem a bit boring.this perfection can be seen in the laws of science, for example gravity.. it does not sometimes work, depending on the mood of some one in the sky, it always works, perfectly.

gravity does not get angry and decide to stop working, and cause the death of innumerable living beings, it just works, through thick or thin, it is reliable.. what allows this unseen presence to remain perfect, is the fact that it does not act based on emotion, or strategy or regret.. it acts based on law, mathematical law.. this unseen presence is not partial to jews or muslims or jw's it is completely impartial at all times, to everything that exists.

TheWonderofYou

I cant see a difference between "unvisible presence" and "unseen presence", perhaps my "language spectacles" are not clear and able to differ it, i m socialized in german so english is always a challenge.

Is this presence the total situation, the space-time continuum? Or do you think it is an physical or metaphysical object

"Presence is the only time that really belongs to us alone", Blaise Pascale.
"Since we cannot know all that there is to be known about anything we ought to know a little about everything." Blaise Pascale

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Is this a BEAUTIFUL STORY--or what?

by Terry in

is this a beautiful story, or what?.

act one________.

now in an ordinary romance of the golden hollywood era, the boy goes off to war while the young lady waits nervously for his safe return.in a cary grant, debra kerr movie, the two vow to meet after a certain period of time and tragic circumstances intervene.. in my story, the young man is a conscientious objector who goes to prison instead of off to the vietnam war.

TheWonderofYou

Act 4

The curtain is yet closed. The lights are dimmering, the audience is awaiting the next act

Noises ....memories of the past decades .. voices of prison guards, old music, some contemporary history ... warplanes.. laughing children, cry "daddy, daddy loook", then a song ... a record plays "que sera sera what ever will be will be, the future is not ours to see, que sera sera." The clock points to a certain day before saturday.

The curtain opens. A woman sitting o armchair looking in an album, children are playing and running around her.

"Wait, I found it, that was he, my first friend, look, what a talented young man he was, coureagous and able to talk with poetry".

"You kept the picture in your album for so long time ma"?

"Its my book of promises, they tell about the promises I made" Orchestra music plays a love song silently while the curtain closes and the scene changes.

It could be saturday

Flowers, garden, bar, a table, the woman sitting and waiting. A quite nervous man arriving holding a gift in his hand.

The audience wishes the best for this date.

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Saddest thing about being DFd

by kairos in

jw
friends

i always enjoyed being kind.

when someone genuinely needed a hand or what not, it felt good to help family or friends.. i don't really miss them anymore.

i faded over two years ago, so they long ago shunned me.i think about them less and less and have even forgotten some names.i did enjoy some of the friendships and the association.

TheWonderofYou

Cheer up! We are only human. Tell them that you need time because you are so disappointed about what they did, but that you are missing your friends and........You are only human and need time to manage the whole matter, that you dont wanna talk about private things at all e.g. whether you doubt something or not, such things you would not like to talke about anyone, its your own busines, but thats clear you need find your spiritual strenght again, yourself, with prayer and bible reading and you like to talk with your friends.

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Straight from a Muslim: Who is to blame for ISIS?

by steve2 in

the message below was posted from a friend in singapore to me on friday 14th november 2015. my friend is not the author - but is an acquaintance of the author.

the post was subsequently "deleted" due to acute religious and political sensitvities in that city-state - but i can vouch for its authenticity.

my friend made a hard copy of the post - hence when the post was removed, a copy remained.. i have removed the author's name for obvious reasons.

TheWonderofYou

Obvioulsy a very dangeours secret alliance of terrorists and extremists. It was one year ago, when I watched a youtube video with a talk of an secret service official about the dangers of muslim terrorist. I cant find it yet now but I found something else.

Given the long history of Muslim Brotherhood activity in this country, its declared objective to "destroy the Western civilization from within," and the extensive evidence of successful influence operations at the highest levels of the U.S. government, it is urgent that we recognize this clear and present danger that threatens not only our Republic but the values of Western civilization.
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3672/muslim-brotherhood-us-government

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Scientology too discourges real education

by Londo111 in

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/4923765590851584/other-religious-groups-critical-higher-education.

i've been trying to post to this thread, but for some reason, it keeps hanging.

but what i wanted to add is that scientology is also against real education.

TheWonderofYou

Certainly so.

Do you need a map of the entire terrain if you are on a clear tagged "one-way-road" to the goal, anyway? No.

If you are on the free offered signposted road to the salvation, everything else is only distraction and you can invest all your safeings now following this way.