Posts by TheWonderofYou

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How many here (believers) believe in the Hell fire doctrine and why??

by jam in

jw
friends

it's obvious the bible is very clear on a actual hell of fire.

"cursed into the eternal fire with the devil and his angels", rev.20:15.

"lake of fire", rev.21:8 "fire and brimstone".

TheWonderofYou

Sorry:

For me, only since my contact with JW the matter of hell became an issue. As you know anyway the majority of catolics and protestants in our country, the dogma of the hell is not picked up as central theme, nor taught in any religious education at school. Furthermore before teenis get confirmed with 14, they attend a confirmation class and get the catolic catechism for young people “YOUCAT”,published 2011 as a gift ( http://www.youcat.org/youcat/what-is-youcat/the-most-important/) and then children may read the book for themself. But there is no duty anymore to learn the answers by heart. So my child is 14 now and I am educating her catolic, I asked her she never heard the word “hell” before. The catolic education is not in all countries the same i think. There are countries which are more conservative. So people here do not think about hell-stuff at all their whole life. So the whole matter has become an issue for theologians and those who want to go deeper into the issue only. (JW use it for propaganda against the church).

In the YOUCAT you find question 161 (translated by me):What is the hell? The short answer:
Hell is the state of eternal separateness of God, the absolute absence of love.

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How many here (believers) believe in the Hell fire doctrine and why??

by jam in

jw
friends

it's obvious the bible is very clear on a actual hell of fire.

"cursed into the eternal fire with the devil and his angels", rev.20:15.

"lake of fire", rev.21:8 "fire and brimstone".

TheWonderofYou

For me, only since my contact with JW the matter of hell became an issue. As you know anyway the majority of catolics and protestants in our country, the dogma of the hell is not picked up as central they attend a confirmation class and get the catolic catechism for young people “YOUCAT”,published 2011 as a gift ( http://www.youcat.org/youcat/what-is-youcat/the-most-important/) and then children may retheme, nor taught in any religious education at school. Furthermore before teenis get confirmed with 14, ad the book for themself. But there is no duty anymore to learn the answers by heart. So my child is 14 now and I am educating her catolic, I asked her she never heard the word “hell” before. The catolic education is not in all countries the same i think. There are countries which are more conservative. So people here do not think about hell-stuff at all their whole life. So the whole matter has become an issue for theologians and those who want to go deeper into the issue only. (JW use it for propaganda against the churches).

In the YOUCAT you find question 161 (translated by me):What is the hell? The short answer:
Hell is the state of eternal separateness of God, the absolute absence of love.

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How many here (believers) believe in the Hell fire doctrine and why??

by jam in

jw
friends

it's obvious the bible is very clear on a actual hell of fire.

"cursed into the eternal fire with the devil and his angels", rev.20:15.

"lake of fire", rev.21:8 "fire and brimstone".

TheWonderofYou

I actually believe in "The hell" and "the eternal fire", not solely because it sounds better then the "Armageddon" and not because even the New Word Translation uses the word "eternal fire" in the Gospels and the whole christian scriptures, but because Lord Jesus said it:

Matthew 18:8 (NWT 2013 Rev.): If, then, your hand or your foot makes you stumble, cut it off and throw it away from you.+It is better for you to enter into life maimed or lame than to be thrown with two hands or two feet into the everlasting fire.

Matthew 25:41: “Then he will say to those on his left: ‘Go away from me,+ you who have been cursed, into the everlasting fire+ prepared for the Devil and his angels. (NWT 2013 Rev.)

Jude 7 (NWT 2013) " In the same manner, Sod′om and Go·mor′rah and the cities around them also gave themselves over to gross sexual immorality* and pursued unnatural fleshly desires;+ they are placed before us as a warning example by undergoing the judicial punishment of everlasting fire.

Later more....
when will the armageddong teaching (a heresy) again replaced by the good old hell fire?

It has been the original christian teaching since Jesus Christ,

It is part of my catolic creed.

I believe in it.

I believe in God, the Father Almighty, Creator of heaven and earth; and in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord: Who was conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary; suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died and was buried. He descended into hell; the third day He rose again from the dead; He ascended into heaven, is seated at the right hand of God the Father Almighty; from thence He shall come to judge the living and the dead. I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church, the communion of Saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and life everlasting. Amen.

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Doesn't the ARMAGEDDON teaching foster a MORBID view of the future?

by Black Man in

jw
friends

even when i was dyed-in-the-wool j-dub, i felt the armageddon teaching was one of the most morbid concepts to be hammered into the psyches of jws.

think about it, only jws would survive this catastrophe, which translates to roughly .001 percent of the population would survive while everyone else would die a horrible death.

that includes people who do good things and are good people, but are just not jws.

TheWonderofYou

I always tried to beautify the horrible bad news of Gods Armageddon when I was yet a silent lamb. I began to think really "indepently":
"Should not Christians overemphazise developping a communion with God without Armageddon fear?"

A year ago I met a witness mother (she speaks always with me, because I know her since age 13) : she tries to avoid the study articles
about armageddon because her daughters are very afraid of that matter. Sadly.

No matter how cruel the texting of the Watchtower study articles might by or how horrible the WT Cover might be
our mind has been manipulated to construct always sophisticated answers or excuses for all bad and unchristian=unmerciful Armageddon stuff
"But somehow People have to be awakened, Wonderofyou, wouldn't you agree?"

The latest invention is the argument that Armageddon is not a war of men but by God (as this would be better).

But does the end justifies the means really, you sheperds?

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JW.Orgy......let's come up with slogans

by AndDontCallMeShirley in

here are a couple suggestions for slogans:.

missionary positions available".. 2.

where jesus isn't the only one coming for a second time".. .. add yours to the list.

TheWonderofYou

Or JW.org+

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JW.Orgy......let's come up with slogans

by AndDontCallMeShirley in

here are a couple suggestions for slogans:.

missionary positions available".. 2.

where jesus isn't the only one coming for a second time".. .. add yours to the list.

TheWonderofYou

What's in fact better than "Read Gods Word Daily"? - JW.orgX

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Just drinking a coffee and thinking of Gerrit Lösch's truth and new JW.org

by TheWonderofYou in

jw
friends

1982 "kingdom truth" br gerrit losch held the special main talk about truth.. i was fascinated by his emotional kind of speeking and i even recorded the public talk on my cassette tape recorder.. i liked the emotional attitude, i listented to the talk over and over again.

i liked the mass enthusiasm about bible passages and.

applying the texts to this organisation.

TheWonderofYou

My artswork was only a limited gift for my closest mates , am not in contact since primary school. Today i will watch cannonization of the 2 popes by our 2 present po popes

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Just drinking a coffee and thinking of Gerrit Lösch's truth and new JW.org

by TheWonderofYou in

jw
friends

1982 "kingdom truth" br gerrit losch held the special main talk about truth.. i was fascinated by his emotional kind of speeking and i even recorded the public talk on my cassette tape recorder.. i liked the emotional attitude, i listented to the talk over and over again.

i liked the mass enthusiasm about bible passages and.

applying the texts to this organisation.

TheWonderofYou

1982 "Kingdom truth" Br Gerrit Lösch held the special main talk about truth.
I was fascinated by his emotional kind of speeking and I even recorded the public talk on my cassette tape recorder.
I liked the emotional attitude, I listented to the talk over and over again. I liked the mass enthusiasm about bible passages and
applying the texts to this organisation. I liked singing together songs loudly, I liked the pictures in the publications,
I liked to get always more and more new publications. I even dreamt of what would be the next Awake or watchtower titel page.
How could it come so far?

Born 1965 in a catolic country community I was a child of a single mother. My mother and me lived in the house of my grandma.
I didn have male education and never saw my father. Once in a month we attend the catolic mass which was held in a very little
chapel. My grandma prayed daily the rosary and I reenacted the priest doing catolic liturgy. I was then about 10 years old.
I attended the usual religious education.

Some day in the year 1974 or 1975 on of my uncles who always brought me christmas presents, converted to the witnesses.
He is until today always unmarried and has always been in pioneer service, part timejob, 70 years old now and never contacts me
because I am not a witness anymore (I visited him 2 times after my going away). He discussed with my grandma that day, I saw
a book in his service bag, a green bible with thin paper which I liked and a little book whith a bible passage of Isaiah in the truth
book and the name Isaiah fascinated me too. So this mystical truth began to be attractive to me.

The uncles truth book stayed with us and began to read. Later when my uncle visited me we talke about the wonders of the creation
and when i visited him (he lived in the same house where the Kingdom hall was) I attended an assemly and i read more and more.
I like reading at all. What did I read? I like the Yellow "Gods 1000y kingdom - soon ...." then I like the Pink "Listening to the great
teacher" and the green? "Make sure of all things".. I absorpted all the teachings, all the interpretations, all citations about the
catolic and prostestant errors about catolic mass, apostolic successsiong, trinity, apostasy of the church in the 2nd century,
about soul, hell and treated them all as "truth".

I wrote little magazines on my typewriter, painted coloured pictures with biblical dramas and handed them out to my catolic school mates when
I was 12. They respected me nonetheless. I was a thinker, a lonewolf, had never had a close friend.
I attended later the commercial school and I never did anything together with my school mates in my leisure. Rather I read the books and
magazines of the societey. I even made for myself a little booklet entiteled index for the psalms written on the typewriter.

I think it was 1980 when I phoned to the local KH and asked for a bible study, because this was the usual way how to come into the truth, I knew that
study and regular attendence of the assemlies was necessary, altough I already was totally convinced and was even doing witness to my mates.
Once they asked me to go together in a disco but I declared that we do not go there and after a conversation with an elder I even gave up my plans to attend a dancing class. So 1982 on the kingdom truth convention I was 17 and I did not drink coffee yet, because I didnt like it,
but now I like it very much.

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Let's tally up, what has the WTS sold and how much money did they receive?

by skeeter1 in

the wts is begging poor relatives of mine for money, more money, and more money.

but, the wts has to be awash in money!.

1. does anyone know what the wts has sold?

TheWonderofYou

Splash wrote: "If something has been dedicated to God (branch, bethel, kingdom hall), how can that then be sold?"

Thats is what they forget. I agree.

What will happen with the wall paintings. Can they scratch them off the walls? Will the new owners

overpaint the witness paintings. Or a the paintings transportable?

BTW Comparision: Hagia Sophia in Constantinopel was not only dedictated to the Logos, wisdom of God, its construction

took longer than a JW complex (537 until 1453), but it was longer in use than the latter. church, mosque ...

It even served as inspiration for islamic osmanic mosque. even for another monotheistic religion!

So this church is not only witness for God but for cultural development too. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hagia_Sophia

For what would NY Bethel or other branch offices be witnesses in the future ? not to forget:

in order that conservation and constant repairs could somewhen pay off ?

The best rentable fabric of the 20th century?

The highest tower where the most fear of armageddon or a tsunami was held?

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Proposed Apostate takeover campaign

by zound in

jw
friends

fictional apostate takeover campaign.

stage #1.. what if in a town that had a particularly large amount of apostates and ex-jw's, over a period of a few months, they started going to a small congregation.

either pretending they were bible studies or just returning jw's, they got good standing in the congregation, priveleges etc.

TheWonderofYou

TTATTs worth doing for winning one single soul minimum at least.