Posts by Sanchy

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The Great Crowd!

by A Believer in

notice the 144000 can be counted and they all come from israel.. 9 after this i saw, and look!

a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues,*+ standing before the throne and before the lamb, dressed in white robes;+ and there were palm branches in their hands.+ .

this great crowd, no man was able to number, and they come from every nation!

Sanchy

You choose not to understand because it doesn't say GC.

I've never said that Revelation or other scriptures don't seem to be talking about some sort of Earth. I've mentioned this multiple times, and each time you chose to ignore it.

My issue is with the interpretation WT gives to the Great Crowd.

We are going in circles here A Believer.

I urge you to do some research on the matter beyond what WT has to say. You'll find that there are many Christian interpretations out there that do include some sort of return to the Earth by humanity.

Also, research the history of the WT, from multiple sources, and ask yourself if you can honestly say there is undeniable evidence that WT is the one true divinely chosen channel of God.

Also, ask yourself why a supposed loving God would make his word, on which the lives of billions of people rest, so unclear and open to interpretation. If he truly wanted none of children to die, why wouldn't he just make his objective clear, easy to understand and undeniable? Wouldn't you?

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The Great Crowd!

by A Believer in

notice the 144000 can be counted and they all come from israel.. 9 after this i saw, and look!

a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues,*+ standing before the throne and before the lamb, dressed in white robes;+ and there were palm branches in their hands.+ .

this great crowd, no man was able to number, and they come from every nation!

Sanchy

So David,Moses and Noah didn't go and they were before that scripture was written.

That does not necessarily mean they weren't "going" after the words were written.

The "resurrection" had not occured yet.

Hebrews 11 talks about these men of old and then verse 16 says about them: "Instead, they were longing for a better country—a heavenly one"

The WT claims the resurrection is one to our old physical bodies. The Bible does not teach this. The second half of 1 Cor 15 describes the resurrection as to a new spiritual body.

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The Great Crowd!

by A Believer in

notice the 144000 can be counted and they all come from israel.. 9 after this i saw, and look!

a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues,*+ standing before the throne and before the lamb, dressed in white robes;+ and there were palm branches in their hands.+ .

this great crowd, no man was able to number, and they come from every nation!

Sanchy

Not sure what you are trying to prove, but again, no mention of the GC.

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The Great Crowd!

by A Believer in

notice the 144000 can be counted and they all come from israel.. 9 after this i saw, and look!

a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues,*+ standing before the throne and before the lamb, dressed in white robes;+ and there were palm branches in their hands.+ .

this great crowd, no man was able to number, and they come from every nation!

Sanchy

Actually the evidence leans on our side because the scriptures that say man will live on earth forever

Nowhere in those verses does it say that it is "the great crowd" coming down from heaven, or alternatively that the "great crowd" is on earth receiving the "new jerusalen" from heaven.

You are connecting two scriptures that are not necessarily linked.

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The Great Crowd!

by A Believer in

notice the 144000 can be counted and they all come from israel.. 9 after this i saw, and look!

a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues,*+ standing before the throne and before the lamb, dressed in white robes;+ and there were palm branches in their hands.+ .

this great crowd, no man was able to number, and they come from every nation!

Sanchy

A Believer, please consider my words carefully:

You are assuming that ONLY the great crowd from Rev 7 can be the ones to live on Earth? That's not necessarily the case. John in his vision is witnessing a great multitude (or crowd) of people that are in heaven. This does not mean that there isn't other biblical scriptures that refer to some sort of Earthly hope.

Does EVERYONE go to heaven? Not necessarily. Does everyone live on Earth? Not necessarily.

All I'm saying is that the evidence points to the location of the Great Crowd, whoever that group is, and that is wherever God is..aka heaven.

JWs are NOT the only ones to believe that the bible teaches that man will live on Earth. There are literally thousands of different theories and beliefs out there related to men living on Earth. Look them up. The bible is not clear in the matter, and thus so many different possible interpretations.

However, regarding the GC's location, WT is wrong.

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The Great Crowd!

by A Believer in

notice the 144000 can be counted and they all come from israel.. 9 after this i saw, and look!

a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues,*+ standing before the throne and before the lamb, dressed in white robes;+ and there were palm branches in their hands.+ .

this great crowd, no man was able to number, and they come from every nation!

Sanchy

H A Believer,

Again, what does the great crowd have to do with what God will do for the Earth? You are assuming that ONLY the GC can be on Earth.

Who are they? Who knows. You'll find a million different interpretations online.

Where are they? Heaven.

What does this mean? WT is wrong

What hope is there for the Earth? Again, who knows? Another million different theories online, all based on different biblical interpretations.

If you want to be Christian, there are only a few things which are certain: You must put faith in Jesus and love your neighbor. Everything else is open to interpretations and very unclear.

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2017 JWN Christmas Card Exchange

by blondie in

jw
friends

in years gone by i have organized and coordinated this.

pm me if you want to be added to the list giving me your snail mail address and/or your e-mail for those with tech skills and a safe e-mail.. do this by december 14, and i will pm the list to each person on it.

latecomers will be added but you may not get it by christmas.

Sanchy

Again, thx for coordinating this Blondie.. wife and I enjoyed reading cards and making our own.

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Wow what do you think true story

by poopie in

jw
friends

this is an actual case.

a jw was recently disfellowshipped heres the reason.

he was and elder and regular pioneer at the time baprized 40 years he decides to rent a room from a women who rents rooms out to singles ,he moves in and there's another guy there also renting a room he happens to be disfellowshipped .

Sanchy

poopie....you are the best!

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Wow what do you think true story

by poopie in

jw
friends

this is an actual case.

a jw was recently disfellowshipped heres the reason.

he was and elder and regular pioneer at the time baprized 40 years he decides to rent a room from a women who rents rooms out to singles ,he moves in and there's another guy there also renting a room he happens to be disfellowshipped .

Sanchy

Is it strange that I really look forward to posts by poopie?

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The Great Crowd!

by A Believer in

notice the 144000 can be counted and they all come from israel.. 9 after this i saw, and look!

a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues,*+ standing before the throne and before the lamb, dressed in white robes;+ and there were palm branches in their hands.+ .

this great crowd, no man was able to number, and they come from every nation!

Sanchy

what would be the point of keeping it in it's new form, cleansed if their was no one to live on it?

Who said no one is to live on the Earth? Why must ONLY the great crowd be the ones to live on Earth? You are assuming that this WT teaching has to be correct or otherwise it would not fit with other WT teachings.

If you choose to believe the bible and want to be a Christian, there are a million different explanations out there as to what happens to the Earth long term. It's up to you what you want to believe, the bible is not clear on the matter.

The more you learn about the bible itself, the more you'll see it's not very clear really about anything, and thus why many don't consider it to be divine at all.