Posts by Sanchy

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The Great Crowd!

by A Believer in

notice the 144000 can be counted and they all come from israel.. 9 after this i saw, and look!

a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues,*+ standing before the throne and before the lamb, dressed in white robes;+ and there were palm branches in their hands.+ .

this great crowd, no man was able to number, and they come from every nation!

Sanchy

A Believer, please consider my words carefully:

You are assuming that ONLY the great crowd from Rev 7 can be the ones to live on Earth? That's not necessarily the case. John in his vision is witnessing a great multitude (or crowd) of people that are in heaven. This does not mean that there isn't other biblical scriptures that refer to some sort of Earthly hope.

Does EVERYONE go to heaven? Not necessarily. Does everyone live on Earth? Not necessarily.

All I'm saying is that the evidence points to the location of the Great Crowd, whoever that group is, and that is wherever God is..aka heaven.

JWs are NOT the only ones to believe that the bible teaches that man will live on Earth. There are literally thousands of different theories and beliefs out there related to men living on Earth. Look them up. The bible is not clear in the matter, and thus so many different possible interpretations.

However, regarding the GC's location, WT is wrong.

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The Great Crowd!

by A Believer in

notice the 144000 can be counted and they all come from israel.. 9 after this i saw, and look!

a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues,*+ standing before the throne and before the lamb, dressed in white robes;+ and there were palm branches in their hands.+ .

this great crowd, no man was able to number, and they come from every nation!

Sanchy

H A Believer,

Again, what does the great crowd have to do with what God will do for the Earth? You are assuming that ONLY the GC can be on Earth.

Who are they? Who knows. You'll find a million different interpretations online.

Where are they? Heaven.

What does this mean? WT is wrong

What hope is there for the Earth? Again, who knows? Another million different theories online, all based on different biblical interpretations.

If you want to be Christian, there are only a few things which are certain: You must put faith in Jesus and love your neighbor. Everything else is open to interpretations and very unclear.

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2017 JWN Christmas Card Exchange

by blondie in

jw
friends

in years gone by i have organized and coordinated this.

pm me if you want to be added to the list giving me your snail mail address and/or your e-mail for those with tech skills and a safe e-mail.. do this by december 14, and i will pm the list to each person on it.

latecomers will be added but you may not get it by christmas.

Sanchy

Again, thx for coordinating this Blondie.. wife and I enjoyed reading cards and making our own.

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Wow what do you think true story

by poopie in

jw
friends

this is an actual case.

a jw was recently disfellowshipped heres the reason.

he was and elder and regular pioneer at the time baprized 40 years he decides to rent a room from a women who rents rooms out to singles ,he moves in and there's another guy there also renting a room he happens to be disfellowshipped .

Sanchy

poopie....you are the best!

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Wow what do you think true story

by poopie in

jw
friends

this is an actual case.

a jw was recently disfellowshipped heres the reason.

he was and elder and regular pioneer at the time baprized 40 years he decides to rent a room from a women who rents rooms out to singles ,he moves in and there's another guy there also renting a room he happens to be disfellowshipped .

Sanchy

Is it strange that I really look forward to posts by poopie?

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The Great Crowd!

by A Believer in

notice the 144000 can be counted and they all come from israel.. 9 after this i saw, and look!

a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues,*+ standing before the throne and before the lamb, dressed in white robes;+ and there were palm branches in their hands.+ .

this great crowd, no man was able to number, and they come from every nation!

Sanchy

what would be the point of keeping it in it's new form, cleansed if their was no one to live on it?

Who said no one is to live on the Earth? Why must ONLY the great crowd be the ones to live on Earth? You are assuming that this WT teaching has to be correct or otherwise it would not fit with other WT teachings.

If you choose to believe the bible and want to be a Christian, there are a million different explanations out there as to what happens to the Earth long term. It's up to you what you want to believe, the bible is not clear on the matter.

The more you learn about the bible itself, the more you'll see it's not very clear really about anything, and thus why many don't consider it to be divine at all.

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The Great Crowd!

by A Believer in

notice the 144000 can be counted and they all come from israel.. 9 after this i saw, and look!

a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues,*+ standing before the throne and before the lamb, dressed in white robes;+ and there were palm branches in their hands.+ .

this great crowd, no man was able to number, and they come from every nation!

Sanchy

A Believer: spiritual temple—the arrangement for pure worship.

What the WT actually says and I quoted above from the Insight book:

The inspired letter to the Hebrews states that in this spiritual temple the Most Holy is “heaven itself,” the area where the person of God is.

This most "Most Holy" is the "naos" that John says the Great Crowd is located in. There is no way around it A Believer. The evidence points to them being a heavenly class.

A Believer: Jehovah’s people on earth worship him in the earthly courtyards of his great spiritual temple

As stated previously, this is impossible, since "naos" did not include the courtyard of the temple. WT attempts to use this fabricated and incorrect logic to make their interpretation fit scripture.

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The Great Crowd!

by A Believer in

notice the 144000 can be counted and they all come from israel.. 9 after this i saw, and look!

a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues,*+ standing before the throne and before the lamb, dressed in white robes;+ and there were palm branches in their hands.+ .

this great crowd, no man was able to number, and they come from every nation!

Sanchy

Sanchy their is no temple in heaven.

A Believer, the literal temple constructed here on Earth by Solomon was a represenation of the great spiritual temple of jehovah's habitat in the spiritual realm. Here's what even WT's Insight book has to say about it under the Cat "Temple":

Jehovah’s Great Spiritual Temple. The tabernacle constructed by Moses and the temples built by Solomon, Zerubbabel, and Herod were only typical, or pictorial. This was shown by the apostle Paul when he wrote that the tabernacle, the basic features of which were included in the later temples, was “a typical representation and a shadow of the heavenly things.” (Heb 8:1-5; see also 1Ki 8:27; Isa 66:1; Ac 7:48; 17:24.) The Christian Greek Scriptures disclose the reality represented by the type. These Scriptures show that the tabernacle and the temples built by Solomon, Zerubbabel, and Herod, along with their features, represented a greater, spiritual temple of Jehovah, “the true tent, which Jehovah put up, and not man.” (Heb 8:2) As revealed by its various features, that spiritual temple is the arrangement for approaching Jehovah in worship on the basis of the propitiatory sacrifice of Jesus Christ.—Heb 9:2-10, 23.
The inspired letter to the Hebrews states that in this spiritual temple the Most Holy is “heaven itself,” the area where the person of God is. (Heb 9:24) Since only the Most Holy is “heaven itself,” then the Holy and the priestly courtyard, as well as their features, must pertain to things on earth, those things having to do with Jesus Christ during his ministry on earth and his followers who are “partakers of the heavenly calling.”—Heb 3:1.

This spiritual temple is the one John refers to in Revelation. The WT tries to go around this point by claiming that the great crowd is serving on the courtyard of the temple, something that is not true, since the term "naos" as used by John only included the most inner holy areas, and thus it can only refer to the location of Jehovah himself, or heaven.

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The Great Crowd!

by A Believer in

notice the 144000 can be counted and they all come from israel.. 9 after this i saw, and look!

a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues,*+ standing before the throne and before the lamb, dressed in white robes;+ and there were palm branches in their hands.+ .

this great crowd, no man was able to number, and they come from every nation!

Sanchy

Naos means temple. Jehovah can have a temple on earth.

No, it doesn't. A Believer, are you even reading what we write? Use your critical thinking skills, please.

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The Great Crowd!

by A Believer in

notice the 144000 can be counted and they all come from israel.. 9 after this i saw, and look!

a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues,*+ standing before the throne and before the lamb, dressed in white robes;+ and there were palm branches in their hands.+ .

this great crowd, no man was able to number, and they come from every nation!

Sanchy

No Sanchy. What I'm telling you is their is more than one great crowd.

What does this have to do with the location of the great crowd from Rev 7? The bottom line is that the one from Rev 7, which is the critical one we are deabting about, is said to be serving in "naos" (7:15), which is in heaven as per all the scriptures outlined for you in the posts above.