Elena

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  Fading is better then completely leaving...comments?

  by Witness 007 in

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  2. experiences

  i got the internet in my house and realised it's all lies....but as a pioneer/ministerial servant i chose to fade.

  see i had family and friends who were fully strict witnesses.

  so i played the poor lost soul brother who is not sure what's happening.

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  Elena

  lol Fading while enjoying the social club elements is possible as long as you can not be accused of causing division.
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  Waiting On Jehovah First Mentioned?

  by Ron.W. in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  yes, waiting on jehovah for him to handle a problem/ doctrine etc.. when did the jw's first start saying that?

  they've been saying it as long as i can remember.. what scriptures do they trot out to back that teaching up?

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  Elena

  Rank and file are made to believe that only high up elders can say this and only they have the clout to use this. If it’s something involving the org or the elders then just leave it let’s wait on Jehovah.

  what if it’s something the elders are investigating to do with a publisher? Can the publisher not answer their invasive questions and just tell the elders “let’s leave it In Jehovahs hands, let’s wait on Jehovah!”
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  Elena

  Yes that’s my point, leaving the JWs was his downfall with no moral compass anymore. He would have been better off staying JW lite for the stabilising influence
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  Elena

  Lloyds entire situation is a good example of what often happens when someone wakes up that JWs have got a lot wrong, perhaps almost everything wrong. Then what do you believe? If you believe evolution then some go off the rails like Lloyd did as there is no moral compass anymore and this just brings results that Lloyd has - suicidal extreme unhappiness having messed up everything and anyone in your life.

  Far better when someone wakes up to Watchtowers incorrectly interpreted the Bible is to become JWlite. Either become inactive and still go occasionally or soft exist and don’t go at all but keep in touch with friends and family still in.

  You don’t have to make up your mind if there is a God or not, you don’t have to choose another religion. You can keep the social club aspect of JWs if you want to. Keep the things you like even if you are not sure if God exists, the fruits of the spirit for example.

  You can keep all the good association and sometimes keep going to zoom and even in person meetings occasionally and these days you can be honest about not being sure Jehovah even exists. This is once you are inactive that is. You will be love bombed as they want you to keep coming to meetings.

  Lloyd would have been much better off doing this. His marriage his family would have been happier. He could be jw lite family as so many are these days.

  this applies to most religions where even if they don’t really believe they still go to church or mosque or other place of religion for the stability it gives the family
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  Elena

  Yes but he didn’t know he would be promoting staying physically in the congregation for the protection especially for young people from messing up their lives the way he has messed up his.

  I wonder if he is honest was he more happy physically in? Would he have had a happier life staying JWlite and mentally out.

  would his family still be together? Would he have better friends and quality of life? Would his children have a happier childhood and future than the one they have now?

  the answer to all these is most definitely yes
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  Now the Baptist Church is waking up to the Watchtower's scandals

  by raymond frantz in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  https://www.jwupdates.com/post/jehovah-s-witnesses-sue-norway-after-registration-revoked.

  the following article appeared on baptist standard's online edition in january 18, 2024. other christian denominations are starting to pay attention to the legal cases against the watchtower and write about it.

  like the watchtower did in yester years with catholic csa cases.. oslo district court in norway is home to an ongoing trial after norway deregistered the jehovah’s witnesses last year.

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  the county governor said in a press release that unless Jehovah’s Witnesses would “rectify the conditions that led to the refusal of state subsidies,” they would lose registration, which they did a few months later, in December.
  

  What would Watchtower need to rectify? New light incoming on shunning/two witnesses rules ect perhaps to get the money flowing back in?
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  Retirement savings

  by TxNVSue2023 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  what's the current jw stance on retirement savings?

  i know it changed.

  pre1975 it was an attitude of "don't worry about retirement, this system is ending soon".

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  • They have vaults full of gold and silver?
    How interesting, where are these vaults and what do you think WT intends to do with this wealth prior to Armageddon

    
    

  
  

  They have secret bunkers with lots of survival supplies. And yes they do have lots of gold and silver built up. So again the best advice is to do what they do, ignore what they say.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  “Since Lloyd elbowed his way to prominence in the ex-JW movement the Watchtower can point to him and say to the JWs: Look what happens to a person when they leave "the truth." Do you want to become like them? Why would you want to believe the lies they promote?

  Yes Lloyd unwittingly promotes staying JWlite for the protection you get staying physically in even if mentally out.

  Lloyd makes ex-JWs look bad and the Watchtower look like a prophet, since according to them when one leaves "the truth" they usually sink into a debauched life just like Lloyd. So the question needs to be asked: How many wavering JWs have decided to stay in the borg because him?“
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  Did Jesus Die On a Stake or a Cross?

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  dominic enyart exposes watchtower deception regarding their demonization of the cross.

  information packed.

  interesting take on paganism as well.

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  Elena

  “There were various styles- some punishments involved a simple stake, others used a cross beam. Some people were hung upside down, others in different ways for amusement. Some used ropes and not nails, Sometimes there was a seat- or horn that protruded into the persons private areas, to make the ordeal more excruciating.

  There is evidence in a crucified skeleton from around the time of Jesus that had the nails driven into the sides of the ankles and therefore, no footrest was used.

  In summary, there were various methods of crucifixion and and no one can say for certain which crucifixion method was used on Jesus and it doesnt really matter. Even the gospels are not eyewitness accounts.”

  There is talk that David was kind of crucified when he was a younger man going through his hard time with his enemies, it obviously didn’t kill him.

  this was what he was talking about in Psalms 22;16
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  Where is Tony?

  by Athanasius in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  on february 22, 2023, anthony morris iii was officially removed from the governing body of jehovah's witnesses.

  a few months later it was revealed that the watchtower bought him a house in lumberton, north carolina.. however, and correct me if i am wrong, since leaving the gb nobody has reported seeing tony attending jw meetings or participating in field service.

  in fact nobody has reported seeing him anywhere, not even at a local liquor store.

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  Elena

  It’s always a bit puzzling when a so called anointed one gets senile dementia. It happened a lot back in the day, they put it down to wild talk.

  I heard of a story of an old anointed Bethel brother who was in hospital over the memorial so some brothers were assigned to go do the memorial with him. He didn’t know his name let alone what day of the week it was, they tried to give him the emblems as he had been taking them for several decades but he kept pushing them away. I think this happened for a few years before he died in the Bethel infirmary.

  Lots of questions were raised, was he still anointed? Was he counted or not as he didn’t actually take them?

  if he was going to be among kings and priests along with Jesus then why did he live for years in a senile state? This has happened with many over the years.

  Is this the case with Tony? Will other old members of the GB get senile dementia and if so will they be removed as Tony was?