thichi,
Regarding the Book, you make the claim without reading the information, nor the studies it presents.
so what? neither have you.
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Is Global Warming a Myth?
by Sirona ini've been reading about global warming recently and to be honest its getting more confusing by the minute.. some say there is so much evidence that it is caused by humans (burning of fossil fuels etc) but some say that it is a natural cycle that we shouldn't worry about.. http://www.junkscience.com/news/robinson.htm.
what is the truth?
are you concerned about our planet?.
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Is Global Warming a Myth?
by Sirona ini've been reading about global warming recently and to be honest its getting more confusing by the minute.. some say there is so much evidence that it is caused by humans (burning of fossil fuels etc) but some say that it is a natural cycle that we shouldn't worry about.. http://www.junkscience.com/news/robinson.htm.
what is the truth?
are you concerned about our planet?.
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thichi,
the book is based on pure speculation. Nobody knows how the climate change will affect us.
Most reasonable people agree that it would be better not to take the risk of might happen.
I don't think global warming will whipe out humanity but i would rather keep the environment as it is just in case things don't work out as your idol predicted.
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Yes, its about freedom.....
BULLSHIT!
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Is Global Warming a Myth?
by Sirona ini've been reading about global warming recently and to be honest its getting more confusing by the minute.. some say there is so much evidence that it is caused by humans (burning of fossil fuels etc) but some say that it is a natural cycle that we shouldn't worry about.. http://www.junkscience.com/news/robinson.htm.
what is the truth?
are you concerned about our planet?.
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thichi,
sure i am gonna read this book...right after i am done with the bible! LOL
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Is Global Warming a Myth?
by Sirona ini've been reading about global warming recently and to be honest its getting more confusing by the minute.. some say there is so much evidence that it is caused by humans (burning of fossil fuels etc) but some say that it is a natural cycle that we shouldn't worry about.. http://www.junkscience.com/news/robinson.htm.
what is the truth?
are you concerned about our planet?.
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United Nations' Determinants and Consequences of Population Trends Study, which used biological, archaeological and environmental information which includes forensic studies. Another impressive work is Dr. Richard Jones. Atlas of World Population History and other resources...
this is all he says about it? nothing about child death rates, molar teeth, etc?
This has always been the case. Nomadic behavior has always been dictated by environmental factors. You are really a Biologist, right?
nomads yes. to move cities is a different thing. by the way, do you believe in evolution?
It depends on what plants you refer to. Drought tolerant plants and other species thrive in different environments...so? The verities of plants are a testament to the Earth?s temperature extremes ...so?
well where do you see more plant growth...in the dry or in the wet climates?
There you go again...non-issues and attacks. Truly the refuge of intellectual Scoundrels. We all see through it. I use the information posted to stand by my claims.
this is not an attack but a mere notion. you tend to copy past a lot of stuff you obviously havn't read too carefully yourself (e.g. israel discussion).
There sure is, and I grow tired of your one-sided approach to this topic.
what onesided approach? it was you who spoke of fear.
Who made this claim? Or, is this another "non issue" you are trying to pass off?
hmmm isn't your point that global warming will in fact improve living conditions?
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Whats so wrong with us
by brother devoted ini have read the topic "no trespassing..." and can't keep frm asking "are you afraid of dialogue?".
i thought we were in america where we have freedom of speech, i have the freedom to approach my nieghbor oin conversation and he has the right to either continue the discussion or say "not interested" .
this whole thing about wanting to erect signs seem to cut off the freedom of speech that america says it prides itelf on...what happened?
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brother,
the freedom of one ends where it starts to cut into the freedom of someone else. if i don't want others on my property they have to respect that.
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Is Global Warming a Myth?
by Sirona ini've been reading about global warming recently and to be honest its getting more confusing by the minute.. some say there is so much evidence that it is caused by humans (burning of fossil fuels etc) but some say that it is a natural cycle that we shouldn't worry about.. http://www.junkscience.com/news/robinson.htm.
what is the truth?
are you concerned about our planet?.
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thichi,
I offered to loan the book to you if you would like. Yes I have read it, twice. You need to read the book...
if you read it twice then please answer the question as to how he was able to determine life expectancy in 8000 bc. I would like to know how this is done.
The issue is not the amount of Pollution that can be absorbed through a certain system
pollution was obviously referring to CO2 in this case.
It goes without saying the green belt has moved and is moving, so what?
it certainly has. the question is will it be pleasant for us to adapt to new conditions or would it perhaps be better to conserve the current situation?
My only claim is large amounts of CO2 has existed on Earth in the past. Like it or not, it is also a fact that warmer weather and increased CO2 is conducive to more vegetation. Earth History has proved this...
the question is where will it get wetter and where dryer? as you know CO2 is not the only thing plants need in order to grow.
Are you really a Biologist? Did I really read the Book? who cares....
if you didn't read the book then you don't even know what hypothesis, evidence and arguments you are actually defending.
I will not proceed from a perspective of fear....there is just no evidence to prove otherwise.
there is a difference between fear and caution. To simply say "don't worry everything will turn out dandy" might not be very wise.
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Is Global Warming a Myth?
by Sirona ini've been reading about global warming recently and to be honest its getting more confusing by the minute.. some say there is so much evidence that it is caused by humans (burning of fossil fuels etc) but some say that it is a natural cycle that we shouldn't worry about.. http://www.junkscience.com/news/robinson.htm.
what is the truth?
are you concerned about our planet?.
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thichi,
It sounds like you need to read the book...can I loan you mine? you present no convincing evidence to disprove his claims...
sorry but if you cannot answer my question then it is very doubtful that you read it yourself!
the vast majority of computer simulations show that conditions would NOT improve for most people.
the following are excerpts from an article from http://www.newscientist.com/hottopics/climate/climatefaq.jsp
Isn't it true that a warmer planet will absorb more pollution?
Yes indeed. Warmer temperatures and the fertilising effect of more CO 2 in the air will stimulate faster growth of trees and other vegetation, which in turn will help to soak up some of the CO 2 in the atmosphere. This can already be seen in some places. But plants need other things besides CO 2 to grow. They need water, which could be in short supply as greater evaporation rates will dry out soils. Plants also need space, which we are using up for urban development. They also need climatic stability. Recent studies by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) suggest that climate change could soon be so fast that many forests, particularly in northern latitudes, will be unable to adapt and could die off - releasing their carbon into the atmosphere.
Will there be global warming everywhere?
Maybe not. Climate modellers admit to being very uncertain about how global warming will affect particular regions. This is because much of our weather depends on circulation patterns, which could alter in unexpected ways. Crudely, however, modellers expect many coastal regions to become wetter, while continental interiors will become drier, causing some deserts to expand. Warming will probably be greatest in polar regions, mirroring climate changes already seen this century in both the Arctic and Antarctic. Existing desert regions, notably central Asia, parts of the Middle East and the Sahel region of Africa, have already experienced some warming.
Local climate could also be altered by changes in ocean circulation. Western Europe could be particularly vulnerable. At present, it is kept exceptionally warm in winter by the Gulf Stream, which is part of the ocean conveyor belt (see "Are there other complications?" above). Take that away and British weather would be like the Hudson Bay in Canada, which is at the same latitude. If the conveyor belt slackens, or the path of the Gulf Stream shifts, that is precisely what could happen. So British hopes of a climate like Bordeaux in the 21st century could be cruelly dashed!
So how worried should we be?
How lucky do you feel?
not true, in fact, the evidence shows the opposite is true. As stated and proved, more vegetation exists today than 100 years ago, using isolated areas do not the whole story make
this does not necessarily imply that deserts are shrinking. actually it is a fact that they are growing.
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Is Global Warming a Myth?
by Sirona ini've been reading about global warming recently and to be honest its getting more confusing by the minute.. some say there is so much evidence that it is caused by humans (burning of fossil fuels etc) but some say that it is a natural cycle that we shouldn't worry about.. http://www.junkscience.com/news/robinson.htm.
what is the truth?
are you concerned about our planet?.
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thichi,
are you telling me you read the book you recommended?
Moore looks at historical evidence and finds that the temperature of the earth has fluctuated dramatically over the past 200,000 years. And he reports that mankind has "prospered during warm periods and suffered during cold ones." For example, agriculture was made possible by warmer climates. "From its origins around 8000 b.c.," writes Moore, "agriculture spread northward, appearing in Greece about 6000 b.c., Hungary in 5000 b.c., France in 4500 b.c., and Poland in 4250 b.c. Is it chance that this northward spread followed a gradual warming of the climate that made agriculture more feasible at higher latitudes?"
"mankind" has prospered from the end of the ice age. However, while northern parts of the hemisphere became accessible parts in todays middle east, egypt, etc. turned into a desert. Further increasing the temp will cause most likely a further spread of the deserts.
increasing temp. will also cause increased sea levels...which will cause immense problems for the coast lines.
Life spans also increased in periods characterized by warmer weather. Moore looks at life expectancy from 8000 b.c. to a.d. 1400 and finds that the "warmest periods, the Neolithic, Bronze Age, and the thirteenth century, enjoyed the longest life spans of the entire period."
Since you read his book a quick question...how does he determine the life expectancy in 8000b.c.? just curious!
Would mankind benefit from higher temperatures during the next several decades or centuries? That is, would history repeat itself? Moore argues that it would. He predicts that increased carbon dioxide emissions, coupled with warmer autumns and winters, would boost agricultural production, reduce heating costs, improve transportation, and cut fatalities. Moreover, many people simply prefer warmer weather.
again, it is very likely that higher temps will cause a spread of deserts, increase in hurricanes and extreme weather, increase fatalities from heat (in france thousands of old people died one years ago becasue of the heat wave), spread of tropical diseases...and lastly increase in air conditioner costs!
all this takes neither into account the possibility of a total ecosystem collaps nor the possiblity of exhausting the oil reserves (which would cause a big problem for the industry).
--> it would be more reasonable to reduce CO2 production, preserve rain forrests and reduce oil consumption.
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Is Global Warming a Myth?
by Sirona ini've been reading about global warming recently and to be honest its getting more confusing by the minute.. some say there is so much evidence that it is caused by humans (burning of fossil fuels etc) but some say that it is a natural cycle that we shouldn't worry about.. http://www.junkscience.com/news/robinson.htm.
what is the truth?
are you concerned about our planet?.
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thichi,
without doubt there have been warmer times in the past. without doubt the vegitation as well as fauna has changed immensly over the past billion years. Clear is also that time and again mass existincions happened.
However, we know too little about the possible behaviour of complex systems to predict what causes mass extinctions (except for obvious reasons like asteroid impacts). Similar, we know way too little about the effects that releasing this much CO2 can have on the biosphere or the effects of destroying the rainforrests, killing the plankton, etc.
It is possible, though not very likely, that the whole ecosystem collapses once it has been pushed too far out of equilibrium (a property of all chaotic systems). in this case we might get in serious trouble.
over all the only thing we can say for sure is that we are conducting a very risky global experiment which might or might not get off lightly. (i am saying this as a biologist who naturally knows quite a bit about this matter)