Posts by NotFormer

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The Saddest Thing About Tony Morris's Removal

by NotFormer in

i've mentioned before how i've wondered how tony morris must have felt when he was sacked.

yes, i know he's a rehensible human being who got served a healthy dose of karma, or, if you like, divine judgement.

to go from having all there is to have within the world he lived in, to where he is now; that's a long fall.

NotFormer

ExBethelitenowPIMA: This, completely! Usually WT secrets are eventually shouted from the housetops. That they've kept the lid so tightly on the Tony Morris issue is impressive, to say the least. Perhaps his congregation has been offered various threats and incentives to keep things quiet. And outsiders (people from other congregations) being shooed away (perhaps by security). I suppose the issue is so sensitive that anyone in the know will be afraid to leak because such leaks would be traceable. This doesn't seem to be the run of the mill open secret that everyone in Bethel knows. I imagine that, whatever happened, this event is heavily lawyered, and a lot of NDAs are involved.

What the heck did he do??

30

FDS 1919 Declaration Date

by NotFormer in

did rutherford have any "prophetic" justification for 1919 as the date that jesus declared him (ahem, the wt organisation) the fds?

such as some calculation attached to 1914?

that in 1919, jesus would come looking for his true organisation?.

NotFormer

Did Rutherford have any "prophetic" justification for 1919 as the date that Jesus declared him (ahem, the WT organisation) the FDS? Such as some calculation attached to 1914? That in 1919, Jesus would come looking for His true organisation?

Or was it purely because he was released from prison? And therefore he pulled a complete extra-biblical doctrine out of his butt?

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No Reporting of Time, Tithing is OK, Now WT Teaches a "Rapture" - What's Next?

by Sea Breeze in

those who will be taken to heaven will first need to be “changed, in a moment, in the blink of an eye, during the last trumpet.” therefore, while we do not use the term “rapture” here because of its wrong connotation, the remaining faithful anointed will be gathered together in an instant of time.

- the watchtower—study edition | july 2015. ok so they refuse to use the word "rapture".

kinda like they refuse to use the word church and clergy (except when it suits their purposes in court cases).

NotFormer

"Then there was the occasion when a turkey dinner was served in the school cafeteria just before Thanksgiving vacation. Rick, who was in the first grade at the time, refused to eat it. Only after persistent explaining by the teacher that it was not Thanksgiving Day nor a real Thanksgiving dinner, and after a phone call to Carol, did Rick’s conscience allow him to eat that meal"

I imagine that the spin would be that Rick was giving "a fine witness". The teacher probably thought that he was a legalistic little shit. Not that "Rick", nor that situation, are real.

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The Saddest Thing About Tony Morris's Removal

by NotFormer in

i've mentioned before how i've wondered how tony morris must have felt when he was sacked.

yes, i know he's a rehensible human being who got served a healthy dose of karma, or, if you like, divine judgement.

to go from having all there is to have within the world he lived in, to where he is now; that's a long fall.

NotFormer

I've mentioned before how I've wondered how Tony Morris must have felt when he was sacked. Yes, I know he's a rehensible human being who got served a healthy dose of karma, or, if you like, divine judgement. To go from having all there is to have within the world he lived in, to where he is now; that's a long fall. How must he feel?

The saddest takeaway from this IMO: he had no friends. Those of the GB who sat on the board with him? They unanimously voted to oust him from his lofty position among them, with none of them saying, "Hey, wait a minute, this is Tony; he's our mate!"

I wonder what he did to "deserve" this, in the eyes of his fellow travellers. Was he really any worse than the other board members?

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No Reporting of Time, Tithing is OK, Now WT Teaches a "Rapture" - What's Next?

by Sea Breeze in

those who will be taken to heaven will first need to be “changed, in a moment, in the blink of an eye, during the last trumpet.” therefore, while we do not use the term “rapture” here because of its wrong connotation, the remaining faithful anointed will be gathered together in an instant of time.

- the watchtower—study edition | july 2015. ok so they refuse to use the word "rapture".

kinda like they refuse to use the word church and clergy (except when it suits their purposes in court cases).

NotFormer

a watcher, Thanks! Mid-trib at least allows the faithful to suffer for a while, but they still get "beamed up" before it gets too unbearable.

The rapture (the many versions of it) is fraught with inconsistencies. For example, it is ultimately a sorting of the wheat 🌾 from the tares, the sheep 🐑 from the goats 🐐, before the final judgement.

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What's the org like now?

by Leathercrop in

even tho i've been expelled about 4 years now, i truly checked out around 2015. changes in the org i think we're just starting to get going.

i remember the kingdom songs suddenly getting the taylor swift treatment aka pop music treatment.

meetings were getting axed or meshed together or something.

NotFormer

Atlantis: "In this picture, there are 4 guys wearing their Kilts to the convention"

Are kilts one of those areas the WT would love to weigh in on, but know that they just couldn't get away with it. Are sarongs treated the same way? Can Japanese JWs wear kimonos?

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Bathwater

by peacefulpete in

many who have become disillusioned by some particular recent wt offence, separate from the church physically but retain the indoctrination the wt installed in their brains.

a familiar trope is often used,.

"don't throw the baby out with the bathwater!".

NotFormer

WT: All bathwater, no baby!

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The FDS Photoshop

by Vanderhoven7 in

for those interested in the latest version of the faithful slave.

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from the february 2024 watchtower .

NotFormer

"Stooges" 😭

"ROFL"

Which one is Moe?

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The ''dreaded'' birthday cake

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

the watchtower—study edition | september 2023. study article 39. let mildness be your strength.

11 if a workmate asks, for example, why we do not celebrate birthdays, consider: could he be wondering whether we are allowed to have a good time?

or might he feel that our position will dampen the company’s team spirit?

NotFormer

Perhaps a JW who wants a bit of the office birthday cake could rationalise it against what Hezekiah did to the bronze serpent. "I'll take their pagan birthday cake and grind it down into the human waste that it is!"

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JW Restrictions on Children

by NotFormer in

issues raised in this thread:.

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/6496820625145856/non-jw-parent-dating-jw-who-wants-children.

i'm trying to list all the things jw children are not allowed to do, or are discouraged from doing.

NotFormer

Vidiot, the interesting thing about your suggestion is that those countries already pretty well exist. Some of the Islamic states, and even North Korea, look very much like the country you are describing. It doesn't take much of a stretch of the imagination to create the visual image of a country run along the lines of ideology.

One hurdle in the development of a JW state would be in the fact that they would very early in the piece need to have a police force (and very probably a military!). We'd soon see what side their bread is buttered on when that happened!