Same thing with the body of Jesus. JW deny the ressurection of Jesus as pr John 10:17-18, Acts 13:35. The JW Jesus was created 3 times. The biblical Jesus took back his fresh flesh as a sign. But Christian bodies rot when they die and 1 Corinthians 15 does not teach the ressurection of their flesh.
JoenB75
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The Watchtower—Study Edition | August 2020
by RULES & REGULATIONS inthe watchtower—study edition | august 2020 .
study article 33. the resurrection reveals god’s love, wisdom, and patience.
8 for a number of reasons, we can assume that those greeting resurrected individuals will be able to recognize their loved ones.
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The Watchtower—Study Edition | August 2020
by RULES & REGULATIONS inthe watchtower—study edition | august 2020 .
study article 33. the resurrection reveals god’s love, wisdom, and patience.
8 for a number of reasons, we can assume that those greeting resurrected individuals will be able to recognize their loved ones.
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JoenB75
My favourite verse about dead people hanging out is Isaiah 14:9 about how the king's descend woke up the dead in Sheol
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Watchtower Sudy 12 July.the Kings of North & South (from 05/20 issue)
by BluesBrother init is a challenge next sunday for them .
due to starting the convention programme the wt study will be a 30 minute run through ,and deals with this prophecy ... i doubt the younger ones are familiar with it at all bur oldies could debate it at length .we on the look out for the king of the north to enter "the land of decoration" (more to follow,maybe next week).
this article makes a grand claim in par 2.
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Good stuff. All fullfilled by 1st century. That is the mature interpretation
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John 5:28,29.
by Lost in the fog inwe used to use this scripture to show that there was going to be a future resurrection.
but recently i got to thinking about it.
if the apostle paul was right in saying that the righteous on death would be changed in the twinkling of an eye from earthly life to heavenly glory why would there be a future resurrection needed for the righteous?
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Vanderhoven7, yes that is a curious doctrine. Jesus had not yet become sacrifice, so the old testament sanctified could not go to heaven 😁. I dont know if this was justified by the feeeling the jw victim must have judging the often quite unchristian deeds of the old testament barbarian saints. Nevertheless loved because of election ☺️
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John 5:28,29.
by Lost in the fog inwe used to use this scripture to show that there was going to be a future resurrection.
but recently i got to thinking about it.
if the apostle paul was right in saying that the righteous on death would be changed in the twinkling of an eye from earthly life to heavenly glory why would there be a future resurrection needed for the righteous?
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Ressurection of Lazarus in John 11 seems to be mortal ressurection. No implication that the ones raised in old testament or by Jesus in the old covenant last days lived forever. Then immmortal change in 1 Corinthians 15:52-53. Probably it is implied that people are raised mortal in Hades (Daniel 12:2, Revelation 20:12) and then changed into immortality. Love your name and cute profile pic, btw
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Watchtower Sudy 12 July.the Kings of North & South (from 05/20 issue)
by BluesBrother init is a challenge next sunday for them .
due to starting the convention programme the wt study will be a 30 minute run through ,and deals with this prophecy ... i doubt the younger ones are familiar with it at all bur oldies could debate it at length .we on the look out for the king of the north to enter "the land of decoration" (more to follow,maybe next week).
this article makes a grand claim in par 2.
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Never ceases to amaze how people believe the Bible can address topics and realms completely unknown to the biblical authors -
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How Did You Discover This Site?
by minimus ini’ve been here a long time.
i saw this site jwd/jwn.
i thought it was very lively and interesting.
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Google 🤭
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Old Literature
by RolRod inwhat did you do with your jw literature when you left?
kept it, sold it or dumped it?
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I had various Russell and Rutherford books. Especially Rutherford had a sort of charismatic vibe that made many of his books entertaining reading. But I threw it all out, including a superrare publication from a Russellite movement that tried to establishment itself in my country after the divorce from Rutherford. But do I miss any of it? No cant say
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I may have finally figured out why some today think we are responsible for what others did centuries ago....it's in the bible
by StoneWall inwe all know how adam and eve are supposedly responsible for selling all of mankind into sin and thus becoming "slaves to sin".so what they did (if it's not a fairy tale) affected all of the humans that would come after them.then at exodus 34:7 it goes on to show the sins of the father being passed down to the third and fourth generations7 "keeping lovingkindness for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin; and that will by no means clear the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children’s children, upon the third and upon the fourth generation.
" (asv)even though i no longer look to the bible or regard it as i once did, i'm just trying to figure where some in today's world can even get the idea others are responsible for things that were done before they were born.
only religion can make people feel guilty for things they never did/done or were a part of and then make others feel as if they're entitled to something..
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I think this explains it well:
" The sins of the fathers are punished in the children through becoming the sins of the children.
I the Lord...visit the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments.” (Exodus 20:5; cf. Numbers 14:18)"
Wicked people sadly often have wicked children continuing in their path
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Are You Starting To Feel Bad About Being A Racist??
by minimus inyou probably didn’t even realize you were a racist until you were enlightened by the “woke” group.
so do you feel the need to make amends and do the right thing??
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Anna Marina,
Not long ago I saw Stephen Lett addressing the youth on JW broadcasting. He said the memorable words "your descision (to serve) will make Jesus happy, and more important, Jehovah happy" lol.
I doubt JWs will be called preterists. They believe unlike anyone else that Jesus became king (and king with little k, Jehovah always take the spotlight) in 1914 but he did not really end anything there. So I doubt it could be called Preterism.
In Preterism, we believe all or almost all prophecies were fullfilled in AD 70, AD 30-70 being the last days as indeed the new testament writers speak of their day as the last days, some believe these 40 years is the Millenium. Some believe the second coming took place in AD 70, some only a judgment coming against Jerusalem, some believe the resurrection and judgment took place in AD 70, some expect that to be future not so much because of what the Bible may say but because of the creeds, some believe the Bible speaks of a literal end to sin and evil, som dont. I believe the Kingdom is gradually expanding and an end to sin and evil in earth. I think the heavens and earth is the church and the hope of heaven. Christianity has traditionally believed Jesus was King from AD 30 and that his church is the Kingdom. I know some Catholics Preterists have given special signficance to the reign of Constantine. JW is a Restorationist group like the Bible Students, believing that a restored gospel needed to be preached to save people (God failed in his first shot in some sense), therefore they place the Kingdom in the yet future or in JW case 1914.
I think Luke 12:4-5 and Hebrews 10:29 especially had the last days in mind with its Pentacost and the later judgment upon old covenant nation but of course there is always a reason for fearing God.