Posts by JoenB75

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Do JWs believe that animals were created to live in harmony? Lion and the lamb

by Doubledecker in

thanks to all who replied to my first post, i appreciate you taking the time to do so.. i left jws for my own reasons as a teenager as i just simply didn’t believe it .

i am enjoying playing catch up with all the information out there now showing multiple examples of false prophecies , covering up the truth and the jw broadcasting stuff is amazing ( as said before i’ve just ignored the organisation for 30 years ) , it’s totally brainwashing evangelical propaganda.. however i digress .... as a young kid i used to ask , “if in paradise the “ lion will lay with lamb “ and all creatures will live in harmony, why for example does a snake have venom if not to eat another creature ?”.

like i say i was 10 years old i remember so please excuse the childish question.. but do they actually believe that was gods original plan for animals ?

JoenB75

I doubt the priests of Israel ever believed in literal vegetarian lions. Dream on 😄😄

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Why does the Borg never use the terms Grace or Ezer

by HiddenPimo in

let me start with: this is not a discussion of the validity of the bible or whether it is inspired of god.. my question is why do you think they don't use grace in their teachings when this is such paramount teaching in the rest of the christian world.

and why do they not reference the hebrew word for helper in genesis 'ezer'.

this word as applied to a woman seems more dignified as it carries the connotation of strength where the man is weak.

JoenB75

Grace in Christianity is given to those in Christ. I remember my mother often asked "what does not God require of man/us". She had no concept of God loving us because of we are in Christ and covered by his blood. If not, God does not love us and indeed the old testament hightlights that with its many judgments. Evangelicals know that but it is very weak point in JWism. They merely speak of our obvious inherited imperfection.

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King David's Three Choices

by Jehalapeno in

editor's note: found this on reddit...thought the meat of the post would be a good post for discussion here as well.. consider the three choices god forced upon david for taking a census.

these three choices were forced on king david, not for murdering people, not for raping women, not for lying, stealing, or any crime we can think of in our modern world that is repugnant, but simply for taking a census or in other words, counting people.. for counting people, jehovah forced a decision on david that involved the lives of thousands upon thousands of innocent people.. the choices all dealt with the “way” jehovah would kill thousands of unsuspecting loyal worshipers.. 1 chronicles 21.

“these are the choices the lord has given you.

JoenB75

Cruflty,

And I have answered, your problem is that you can not allow a God to create life that also dies to give space to new life. You list selected natural causes. You cleverly leave out dying of old age, which in the natural world is a bad way to die as it will involve pain in the end. So in your clever designs, you disallow a God to exist who creates life that also dies. Case solved.

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King David's Three Choices

by Jehalapeno in

editor's note: found this on reddit...thought the meat of the post would be a good post for discussion here as well.. consider the three choices god forced upon david for taking a census.

these three choices were forced on king david, not for murdering people, not for raping women, not for lying, stealing, or any crime we can think of in our modern world that is repugnant, but simply for taking a census or in other words, counting people.. for counting people, jehovah forced a decision on david that involved the lives of thousands upon thousands of innocent people.. the choices all dealt with the “way” jehovah would kill thousands of unsuspecting loyal worshipers.. 1 chronicles 21.

“these are the choices the lord has given you.

JoenB75

Oh I had too high expections. "The world designed to designed to MAXIMISE pain". I would have loved some sources on that metaphysical gibberish

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King David's Three Choices

by Jehalapeno in

editor's note: found this on reddit...thought the meat of the post would be a good post for discussion here as well.. consider the three choices god forced upon david for taking a census.

these three choices were forced on king david, not for murdering people, not for raping women, not for lying, stealing, or any crime we can think of in our modern world that is repugnant, but simply for taking a census or in other words, counting people.. for counting people, jehovah forced a decision on david that involved the lives of thousands upon thousands of innocent people.. the choices all dealt with the “way” jehovah would kill thousands of unsuspecting loyal worshipers.. 1 chronicles 21.

“these are the choices the lord has given you.

JoenB75

cruflty,

You explain stuff you design yourself. If you make a god in your own image, you can explain him very well. it is part of the argument of atheism that we should explain God. Theists shutter at the thought of explaining something as far beyond themselves as God.

You think the God of Christians is too mean for allowing pain and then add your own idea that the world was designed to MAXIMISE pain. Who told you that? Why did you capitalize it? Pain is certainly needed to feel and exist. Just as good feelings.Pain was part the Cross and pain is also used to lead people to God.

I never claimed the world was designed by God. Is that what you think initiated means? That is going too far in speculation. But in the control of the Almighty yes .

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King David's Three Choices

by Jehalapeno in

editor's note: found this on reddit...thought the meat of the post would be a good post for discussion here as well.. consider the three choices god forced upon david for taking a census.

these three choices were forced on king david, not for murdering people, not for raping women, not for lying, stealing, or any crime we can think of in our modern world that is repugnant, but simply for taking a census or in other words, counting people.. for counting people, jehovah forced a decision on david that involved the lives of thousands upon thousands of innocent people.. the choices all dealt with the “way” jehovah would kill thousands of unsuspecting loyal worshipers.. 1 chronicles 21.

“these are the choices the lord has given you.

JoenB75

Culfthy. I will call you Culfthy now just as you call me Joan,

I know atheists define evolution as " gratuitous pain, suffering and waste." God might respond as did Gretha "how dare you"? He has some reasons for allowing things to run this way. I am very sure that evolution provides amazing things and also unfurtunate things. That is the way of life. Life is corruptible except divine nature.

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King David's Three Choices

by Jehalapeno in

editor's note: found this on reddit...thought the meat of the post would be a good post for discussion here as well.. consider the three choices god forced upon david for taking a census.

these three choices were forced on king david, not for murdering people, not for raping women, not for lying, stealing, or any crime we can think of in our modern world that is repugnant, but simply for taking a census or in other words, counting people.. for counting people, jehovah forced a decision on david that involved the lives of thousands upon thousands of innocent people.. the choices all dealt with the “way” jehovah would kill thousands of unsuspecting loyal worshipers.. 1 chronicles 21.

“these are the choices the lord has given you.

JoenB75

Hmm.. the problem with life is that if it was not accompaigned by death we would be standing on each other and that would be more nasty than you can imagine. You have sort of made an argument that a God who did create / initiate the evolution of beings who were meant to perish could not exist (2 Peter 2:12). Most creation has it beauty. That some of it turns out bad / counterproductive I see as a result of evolution.

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King David's Three Choices

by Jehalapeno in

editor's note: found this on reddit...thought the meat of the post would be a good post for discussion here as well.. consider the three choices god forced upon david for taking a census.

these three choices were forced on king david, not for murdering people, not for raping women, not for lying, stealing, or any crime we can think of in our modern world that is repugnant, but simply for taking a census or in other words, counting people.. for counting people, jehovah forced a decision on david that involved the lives of thousands upon thousands of innocent people.. the choices all dealt with the “way” jehovah would kill thousands of unsuspecting loyal worshipers.. 1 chronicles 21.

“these are the choices the lord has given you.

JoenB75

Cofty,

Or that wasp that lays an egg in a stunned tarantula and slowly eats it alive. Giant nasty scolopendras that eat small mice alive. Nasty critters that crawl into various bodily openings and what not. To which degree we can call that God's design is very difficult to say. We have as good as nothing on zoology in the Bible. The Bible is concerned with covenant cosmotology and covenant creationism. God has apparently let evolution run its course and only interfered when needed to redeem. And that is pretty amazing, the Creator became part of the created (Colossians 1:15-20), introducing an unique "Bible humanism" (Hebrews 4:15). Of course it is an absurdity to imagine we can fully grasp God's plan and ways but we can grasp what God chooses to reveal to us in His Word. Now of course I am a spoiled brat seeing the plan of universal salvation in the Bible, whereas many other believers would focus on saving themselves and others from the fires eternal.

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King David's Three Choices

by Jehalapeno in

editor's note: found this on reddit...thought the meat of the post would be a good post for discussion here as well.. consider the three choices god forced upon david for taking a census.

these three choices were forced on king david, not for murdering people, not for raping women, not for lying, stealing, or any crime we can think of in our modern world that is repugnant, but simply for taking a census or in other words, counting people.. for counting people, jehovah forced a decision on david that involved the lives of thousands upon thousands of innocent people.. the choices all dealt with the “way” jehovah would kill thousands of unsuspecting loyal worshipers.. 1 chronicles 21.

“these are the choices the lord has given you.

JoenB75

Dubstepped,

Let us appriciate and and Adore Him for his grand design. Just saying

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King David's Three Choices

by Jehalapeno in

editor's note: found this on reddit...thought the meat of the post would be a good post for discussion here as well.. consider the three choices god forced upon david for taking a census.

these three choices were forced on king david, not for murdering people, not for raping women, not for lying, stealing, or any crime we can think of in our modern world that is repugnant, but simply for taking a census or in other words, counting people.. for counting people, jehovah forced a decision on david that involved the lives of thousands upon thousands of innocent people.. the choices all dealt with the “way” jehovah would kill thousands of unsuspecting loyal worshipers.. 1 chronicles 21.

“these are the choices the lord has given you.

JoenB75

Hehe blameless Jesus is both priest and sacrifice offering himself one time for all Hebrews 7:27.

But yes Jesus is the ultimate revelation of God and our object of worship