Posts by Drearyweather

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August issue is now up on JW.com

by ozziepost in

just a heads up that the english version with the changed cover is now up on jw.com.. i haven’t yet read it but if any you have the time i’m looking forward to people’s insights.. in the meantime i must find a red 🍷.

cheers,.

ozzie (of the ‘is he still here?’ class ).

Drearyweather

Notice how it’s not a personal decision about whether or not the person will continue to associate, but the ‘decision’ is to not associate.

But isn't that what Paul says: "keep this one marked and stop associating with him". There is no question of deciding whether to associate or not. Just that rather than enforced by elders, this will be an individual's personal decision to mark him, which he cannot enforce on anyone else.

These aren’t reforms…

Yes, these are just change of terminologies to match the terms mentioned in the Bible. The term disfellowship was never there in the Bible, and thus for outsiders shunning looked like a practice
which was not Bible-based. Now in courts you can just quote the scripture and tell that this practice of removing wrongdoers is directly mentioned in the Bible.

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Jehovah's Witnesses - summary critique

by aqwsed12345 in

since 1931, they have called themselves jehovah’s witnesses.

founded in 1879 by charles taze russell (1852-1916).

jw’s publisher is the watchtower bible and tract society, and their publications include "the watchtower" and "awake!

Drearyweather

The only lengthy posts over here I ever enjoyed reading were of Leolia's. I even took notes while reading them and kept my Bible open as she skillfully went from one scripture to another analysing them with proper research and backed-up evidence.

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Did you suffer from not saluting the flag in school as a kid?

by Sea Breeze in

what happened?.

Drearyweather

I can show you all the evidence in real life situations.

Thanks DOC, I know. I have 2 cousins who are disfellowshipped.

I am simply asking if the WT asks parents to kick their minors out of the house when they are disfellowshipped.

Again, minors. Not adult children.

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Did you suffer from not saluting the flag in school as a kid?

by Sea Breeze in

what happened?.

Drearyweather

Are you serious... we all know that this is standard procedure, who are you trying to fool? Go and boil you buttocks,

I won't drop to your level of language usage. Read my question again. I am talking about WT encouraging parents to ask their minor children to leave the house once they are disfellowshipped. Is that the standard procedure?

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Did you suffer from not saluting the flag in school as a kid?

by Sea Breeze in

what happened?.

Drearyweather

But, I doubt he would agree that he fought in 3 wars to allow JW parents kick their questioning teenagers out the house on the street and shun them.

Can you show references from JW literature where parents are encouraged to throw disfellowhipped minors/teenagers out of their house?

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The org. Came out with a Christmas song!!!!

by nowwhat? in

holy nativity batman!

on jw broadcasting.

final song for this year's convention.

Drearyweather

Yes, it was a surprise to many JW's, who felt the song titled "Good News!" would be about the good news of the paradise earth, but its based on good news that the angels gave to the shepherds about the messiah being born. and its one song where the name Jehovah doesn't appear. Just a shortened version - Jah. These are the lyrics:

Good News

“Glory in the heights above”—

Good news for all men—

When God’s Son arrived in Bethlehem.

Hope for those who mourn,

A Savior has been born!

(CHORUS)

Good news, this good news—

Joy for all mankind—

Praise Jah for his light!

Good news, this good news—

Preach with all your might.

Good news, Christ is born—

The way, the truth, the life.

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How many different "rules" do Jehovah's Witnesses have to obey? Can you count them?

by Balaamsass2 in

all the big changes for jws since this last fall brought me back to this site, and got me and the wife talking.

just how many things were we not allowed to do growing up as jehovah's witnesses?

we were so used to all the rules, customs, and traditions, that we became used to them.. one site i found claims there are 141 unique rules!!

Drearyweather

92. Do suggestive and immodest dancing in a public place
98. Wear revealing clothes
95. Use of bad language (curse words) is discouraged

Many decent people, apart from JW's don't do the above three.

Just a list of a lot of repetitive stuff, for e.g.:

10. Say the Pledge of Allegiance 11. Salute the flag 12. Vote 13. Run for leadership in their organization. (JW's are 'appointed' and invited to be leaders.) 14. Run for leadership in any organization 15. Take a stand for any political issue inside their organization 16. Take a stand on any political or 'worldly' issue outside of their organization 17. Campaign for a political candidate 18. Hold political office 19. Discuss politics. 113. Believe in ghosts 114. Witchcraft 115. Black magic 116. White magic 117. Consult with a psychic or become one 118. Study tarot cards, get a reading or give a reading 119. Study numerology or get a reading 120. Dabble in ESP (extrasensory perception), dowsing, or divination

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Money Is The Answer For Everything - Eccl. 10: 19 (NASB)

by Sea Breeze in

do jehovahs witnesses believe eccl.

10: 19 is literal or is limited in application in some way?

money is the answer for everything - eccl.

Drearyweather

These are some of the explanations from JW literature on this verse:

Dining with friends can be most enjoyable, but to obtain bread or wine, you need money. Since money is the means by which material things are obtained, it “meets a response in all things.”

Yes, a good meal may be enjoyable. But neither food nor drink can be obtained without money. In this world, money is a necessity. It is a valuable asset that must be managed wisely.

Eating, along with pleasant conversation, can be most enjoyable. But bread cannot be obtained without money, and there is limited rejoicing from drinking wine when a person has very little for life’s necessities. In this present system, money is the means by which all material things can be obtained and, therefore, it “meets a response in all things.” The thought behind Solomon’s statement may be that through industriousness a man can get the money he needs for bread and wine, for the comforts that add to the enjoyment of life.

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Where is Tony?

by Athanasius in

jw
friends

on february 22, 2023, anthony morris iii was officially removed from the governing body of jehovah's witnesses.

a few months later it was revealed that the watchtower bought him a house in lumberton, north carolina.. however, and correct me if i am wrong, since leaving the gb nobody has reported seeing tony attending jw meetings or participating in field service.

in fact nobody has reported seeing him anywhere, not even at a local liquor store.

Drearyweather

what about his sons and their wives? Has anybody heard what may have happened to them? Has there been any recent sightings of the Morris brothers?

One of his sons, Paul is in the Service Committee, while the other, Jesse, is a member of the US Branch Committee.

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Hailstone message AND everyone will be saved? Questions

by slimboyfat in

i’ve not been paying close attention to watchtower developments, but talking to a jw yesterday it occurred to me the society (yes, still use that term - old school) have been sending out mixed messages in recent years.

from what i gather, a few years ago the gb announced that during the great tribulation jws would be required to preach a “hailstone message of judgement” which involved telling people it was too late for them to repent and they were definitely going to be destroyed.

there were hints that this could be very soon, “any day now” preaching could stop and the hailstone message come in, kind of thing.

Drearyweather

What have they done with the idea of the “hailstone message”? Have they given it a new interpretation, abandoned the idea, or just ignored what they said previously?

It was answered in the Annual meeting by Geoffrey Jackson in his talk - “Trust in the Merciful ‘Judge of All the Earth.’” - Part 2

What is “the end” referred to there? Well, it’s the final part of the great tribulation. So that means that during the great tribulation, the good news of the Kingdom will still be preached. And it’s still good news to us but not to the rest of the world. That good news will become more hard-hitting as time goes on, causing people to make a decision one way or the other, whether they accept the Kingdom or not.