Posts by Perry
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8Who Is the Glorious Lord?
by Perry inall scriptures from new world translation.
isaiah 42:8 i am jehovah.
that is my name; and to no one else shall i give my own glory, neither my praise to graven images.
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Who Is the Glorious Lord?
by Perry inall scriptures from new world translation.
isaiah 42:8 i am jehovah.
that is my name; and to no one else shall i give my own glory, neither my praise to graven images.
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Perry
To help people identify who is the glorious Lord, God does things only the Creator can do, like writing down history in advance.
Professor Peter W. Stoner conservatively calculated the odds of just eight messianiac prophecies written by Hebrew prophets coming true. He found the odds of any one man who lived from the time that the prophecies were made until the present time and fulfilled all eight prophecies, is 1 in 10 to the seventeenth power.
To illusrated the magnitude of this number..... suppose we took an atheistic professor, blindfolded him and covered the state of Texas two feet deep with silver dollars. Then we put a check on one of those silver dollars and mixed them up. The odds of one person fulfilling just these eight prophecies would be the same as this atheistic professor selecting the silver dollar upon which we have placed a check, in his first try.
But there are not eight, but some 300 – 350 prophecies which were written in the Old Testament to help us identify which person is the promised Messiah.
Jesus encourages this aspect of investigation:
John 5:39, “Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life; and they are they which testify of me…”
Of course this is aside from the many public miracles he performed such as raising himself and others from the dead.
But, this isn't the point of this thread. The point of this thread is that, contrary to the Watchtower, Jesus is the Christians' object of worship. God created the angels and people and animals much like I create a batch of oatmeal cookies in my kitchen. I did not beget the cookies I simply created them. My sons are different. I begat them. They possess exactly 50% of my DNA essence. I did not create them. They are from me and of me and not by me. My oatmeal cookies are made by Perry, but my sons are from Perry and not made by Perry.
Heb. 1:5 - For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee?
None. Jesus is the ONLY begotten. God's essence, by its very nature as God cannot be divided - him being omnipresent. So, Jesus is fully God, posessing God's essence and fully man as the son of Mary in the flesh. Worshiping Jesus is identical to worshipping Jehovah since they have one in the same essence.
Our God is one.
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Who Is the Glorious Lord?
by Perry inall scriptures from new world translation.
isaiah 42:8 i am jehovah.
that is my name; and to no one else shall i give my own glory, neither my praise to graven images.
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Perry
All scriptures from New World Translation
Isaiah 42:8 “I am Jehovah. That is my name; and to no one else shall I give my own glory, neither my praise to graven images.”
Isaiah 48:11 “…And to no one else shall I give my own glory.”
(Verses regarding Jesus)
1 Cor. 2: 8 " ...for if they had known it, they would not have executed the glorious Lord. (NWT 2013 edition)John 8:54 “… It is my Father that glorifies me, he who you say is YOUR God”
John 17:5 “So now you, Father, glorify me alongside yourself"Is it Jesus? Is it Jehovah? Or, does Jesus possess the very essence of his Father so that in some meaningful way, they are one in the same?
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DO you think humans naturally self destruct
by cassuk11 indo end time delusions show humans have a tendancy to look for self detruction or is our desire to have hope for a new day.
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Perry
All things naturally self destruct over time - 2nd law of thermo dynamics. This why we need connection to the Source - God; because without him, decay is the river and we are just the cork bobbing in the water.
"Which hope we have as an anchor of the soul.... Jesus" - Hebrews 6: 19
Jesus alone is the answer.
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Religion vs the gospel
by Fernando inour family's journey out of the watchtower has led us to see the gospel as the antithesis or exact opposite of religion.. for us religion is men telling us what to believe and do (to control us).. for us the gospel is god telling us what he has done (to liberate us from such men).. how have you come to see the relationship between religion and the gospel?.
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Perry
That's right Satan. There are many, many compelling reasons why Jehovah's Witnesses should consider becoming Christian..... as directed FROM THEIR OWN BIBLE.
(All verses are quoted directly from New World Translation.)
God’s Glory
(Verses regarding God the Father)
Isaiah 42:8 “I am Jehovah. That is my name; and to no one else shall I give my own glory, neither my praise to graven images.”
Isaiah 48:11 “…And to no one else shall I give my own glory.”
(Verses regarding Jesus)
1 Cor. 2: 8 " ...for if they had known it, they would not have executed the glorious Lord.John 8:54 “…It is my Father that glorifies me, he who you say is YOUR God”
John 16:14 “That one will glorify me…”
John 17:1 “…Father, the hour has come; glorify your son…”
John 17:5 “So now you, Father, glorify me alongside yourself with the glory that I had alongside you before the world was.”
Philippians 2:10 “so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground”
Hebrews 5:5 “So too the Christ did not glorify himself by becoming a high priest, but [was glorified by him] who spoke with reference to him; ‘You are my son; I, today, I have become your father.”
The Savior
(About the Father)
Isaiah 43:3 “For I am Jehovah your God, the Holy One of Israel your Savior.”
Isaiah 43:11 “I am Jehovah and besides me there is no savior.”
Isaiah 45:21 “Is it not I, Jehovah besides whom there is no other God; a righteous God and a Savior, there being none excepting me?”
(About Jesus)
Luke 2:11 “because there was born to you a Savior, who is Christ the Lord…”
Acts 13:23 “From the offspring of this [man] according to his promise God has brought to Israel a savior, Jesus.”
Titus 1:4 “…May there be underserved kindness and peace from God [the] Father and Christ Jesus our Savior.”
Whose name are we to have faith in?
(said about Jesus or by Jesus)
John 14:12 “Most truly I say to YOU, He that exercises faith in me, that one also will do the works that I do…”
Acts 4:12 “Furthermore, there is no salvation in anyone else, for there is not another name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved.”
Acts 26:18 “…and inheritance among those sanctified by [their] faith in me.”
Revelation 2:13 “I know where you are dwelling, that is where the throne of Satan is, and yet you keep on holding fast my name, and you did not deny your faith in me…”
John 20:28 “In answer Thomas said to him: My Lord and my God!” Jesus said to him: Because you have seen me have you believed?
John 20:31 “ But these have been written down that YOU may believe that Jesus is the Christ the Son of God, and that, because of believing YOU may have life by means of his name.”
Acts 2:38 “Peter [said] to them: ‘Repent, and let each one of YOU be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ...”
1 John 3:23 “Indeed, this is his commandment, that we have faith in the name of his Son Jesus Christ…”
Created or Creator?
Jehovah’s Witnesses teach that Jehovah created Jesus as an angel, and that Jesus then created all other things. What do the scriptures say?
(About the Father)
Isaiah 66:2 “Now all these things my own hand has made, so that all these came to be.”
Isaiah 44:24 “…I, Jehovah, am doing everything, stretching out the heavens, by myself…”
(About Jesus)
John 1:3 “All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence.” If all things came into existence through Jesus, He could not have been created because He is included in the “all things.”
Status, Names and Titles of Jesus and Jehovah
Isaiah 9:6 “For there has been a child born to us, there has been a son given to us, and the princely rule will come to be upon his shoulder. And his name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.”
Revelation 1:8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says Jehovah God, “the One who is and who was and who is coming, the Almighty.”
Revelation 1:17-18 “…I am the First and the Last, and the living one, and I became dead, but, look! I am living forever and ever, and I have the keys to death and of Hades.”
Revelation 2:8 “…These are the things that he says, ‘the First and the Last, who became dead, and came to life [again]”
Revelation 22:12-16 “Look! I am coming quickly, and the reward I give is with me, to render to each one as his work is. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end…I, Jesus, sent my angel to bear witness to you people of these things for the congregations. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright morning star.”
Revelation 21:6-7 “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. To anyone thirsting I will give from the fountain of the water of life free. Anyone conquering will inherit these things, and I shall be his God and he will be my son.” If Jehovah is the Alpha and Omega (the first and last Greek letters), then the “first and the last” must refer to Jehovah, so the Witnesses claim. But when did Jehovah become dead? The only “first and last” who died and lived again is Jesus.
Hebrews 1:13 “But with reference to which one of the angels has he ever said ‘Sit at my right hand, until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet”?Answer: NONE
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"Probably You Might be Saved" - Somewhere in Zephaniah As I Recall
by Perry inthe watchtower (and old-timers in the org) love to quote old testament passages that were directed toward israel.
however, the new testament is "a better covenant based upon better promises".. in the following verses, salvation is not described as a possibility, but as a certainty, as a present possession for the original christians:.
justification is a present possession (rom.
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Perry
Cofty, you are a cute, cuddly little thing aren't you? The bottom line is that we will continue to consciously exist into eternity the question is ...where?
I can hear Madonna one day changing her tune:
We are liv-ing in an atheral world, ah, ah, ah, ....and I am an a-t-h-e-r-a-l girl.
Have a great Memorial day weekend everone! I'm off to South Padre with wife and three sons.
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The Spirits of God
by Stephen Levi inrevelation, chapter 1, 4: john to the seven churches which are in asia: grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven spirits which are before his throne;.
revelation, chapter 3, 1: and unto the angel of the church in sardis write; these things saith he that hath the seven spirits of god, and the seven stars; i know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.
revelation, chapter 4, 5: and out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven spirits of god.
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Perry
Isaiah Chapter 11 names the Spirits:
And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: And the (1) spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the (2) spirit of wisdom and (3) understanding, the (4) spirit of counsel and (5) might, the (6) spirit of knowledge and of the (7) fear of the LORD;
And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears:
But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.
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"Probably You Might be Saved" - Somewhere in Zephaniah As I Recall
by Perry inthe watchtower (and old-timers in the org) love to quote old testament passages that were directed toward israel.
however, the new testament is "a better covenant based upon better promises".. in the following verses, salvation is not described as a possibility, but as a certainty, as a present possession for the original christians:.
justification is a present possession (rom.
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Perry
Keep up the good work Perry. Don't let them grind you down.
I'm just making a simple point James. I like simple things. The Watchtower makes things so complicated ... so that people will hopefully keep going to them for an explanation.
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"Probably You Might be Saved" - Somewhere in Zephaniah As I Recall
by Perry inthe watchtower (and old-timers in the org) love to quote old testament passages that were directed toward israel.
however, the new testament is "a better covenant based upon better promises".. in the following verses, salvation is not described as a possibility, but as a certainty, as a present possession for the original christians:.
justification is a present possession (rom.
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Perry
This thread is primarily about Salvation and whether or not works are involved as the WT maintains, or if it is a FREE gift.
Salvation Cannot Be by Works and God's Grace
“NOT BY WORKS of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost” (Titus 3:5). This Bible verse makes it plain and simple that good works will not save anyone. Listen to the message of Ephesians 2:8-9, “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: NOT OF WORKS, lest any man should boast.” How many Scriptures does God need to put in front of our face before we get the idea—salvation is not by merit. “Knowing that a man is NOT JUSTIFIED BY THE WORKS OF THE LAW, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and NOT BY THE WORKS OF THE LAW: for BY THE WORKS OF THE LAW SHALL NO FLESH BE JUSTIFIED” (Galatians 2:16).
God's intention is that he be the sole Savior. This is not something that he allows a person to participate in AT ALL. THIS IS THE OBJECT OF THE CHRISTIAN FAITH. And then, just to make sure no one misunderstands, He lets people know that their efforts to justify themselves by works only brings MORE DEBT, not deliverance. How did we miss this as JW's?
FOR WHAT SAITH THE SCRIPTURE? ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS COUNTED UNTO HIM FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS. NOW TO HIM THAT WORKETH IS THE REWARD NOT RECKONED OF GRACE, BUT OF DEBT. BUT TO HIM THAT WORKETH NOT, BUT BELIEVETH ON HIM THAT JUSTIFIETH THE UNGODLY, HIS FAITH IS COUNTED FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS. Romand 4: 3-5
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"Probably You Might be Saved" - Somewhere in Zephaniah As I Recall
by Perry inthe watchtower (and old-timers in the org) love to quote old testament passages that were directed toward israel.
however, the new testament is "a better covenant based upon better promises".. in the following verses, salvation is not described as a possibility, but as a certainty, as a present possession for the original christians:.
justification is a present possession (rom.
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Perry
Shirley,
Born Again Christians have historically been the most generous people on earth. I personally consider it a duty to try and help others the best I can. When I put together a business model for my current company I am running, I incorporated a significate profit percentage donation for each job to charity. I support a Ukranian charity dedicated to helping orphans. We build additions onto houses so that orphans can be integrated into real homes and not institutionalized by the state-run orphanages. In those facilities, the kids are turned out on their own at age 16, where many if not most are picked up by the sex and drug trades and exported around the world.
My God IS DOING SOMETHING in the world through the people he inhabits. When he returns, dramatic changes will take place sociologically and in nature, directly by him. Until then, Christians do as they have been instructed and leave the rest up to Christ.