jhine..that brief description doesn't begin to reveal the story. Anyway, we all hope he got the care he needed; he had a brilliant but troubled mind.
peacefulpete
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The Holy Spirit
by Leolaia inthis was posted originally in the rodney dangerfield thread......
i don't really know much about the trinity other than what i was told as a jw but it does seem to me that the holy ghost is definitely running a distant third in the popularity contest.
when jws get into arguments with trinitarians, it's almost always about whether jesus is god, isn't it?
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DID YOU KNOW - about Event 201? (Two months before the virus outbreak a simulation/discussion among the elite)
by Terry in(event 201).
“event 201” was an exercise organized in october 2019 to simulate what might happen if there was a severe pandemic.. it invited people from business, government, and public health to simulate coordinating a policy response to a theoretical pandemic.. .
what was the event?.
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peacefulpete
I'm saddened by this despicable misrepresentation of the people who plan and protect our lives. My wife is an emergency manager, and her role is in part to do exercises and do detailed continuity of operation plans They involve emergency services teams and political figures annually. They have recently used terrorist, disease, chemical spill and tornados as the scenarios. Gates and world health organizations saw in the 2015 Ebola outbreak that we needed to improve global readiness and has sponsored exercises to that end. The fact that what everyone knew was inevitable happened, is proof we need more such planning, planning that conspiracy theorists and political hacks apparently don't know, or don't appreciate, takes place regularly for their safety. Our society is truly sick.
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Why Not Celebrate Christmas?
by Mum inso, jw's don't celebrate christmas or other holidays.
as bill cetnar once said, there are two reasons for everything: the reason they tell you, and the real reason.
they will tell you it's because christmas is "pagan" and can lead to all sorts of licentious conduct (like drinking too much macallan scotch?)..
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peacefulpete
Colossians is dealing with the festivals of the Jews who had now become apostates by not keeping up with new light. LOL The passage is completely relevant, in Paul's opinion if someone wanted to continue to do them or not due them it was no one's business.
What's interesting is that Paul was accused of vacillating and being a backslider in regards issues of traditions of Judaism by more militant Christians. He tries to defend himself as "being all things ...so as to save some". (Funny how Timothy, an adult man, is the one getting his ding-a-ling cut so Paul could pretend to be keeping the Law and avoid getting beat up). Is it OK to give a misleading impression if it gets converts or saves your skin???...but that's another topic.
Something to think about is those festivals of the Jews, what they were and how they originated. Most of the festivals are seasonal celebrations to ensure crop and animal breeding success from the gods (and eventually Yahweh exclusively). Apotropaic magic is the very theme of the festivals. Warding off the punishment and ensuring the blessings by ritual and symbolism. It's been long suggested the Passover was originally an indigenous festival (or combination of two) to have the rains pause. Of scholarly interest is how the people of Caanan understood Baal being swallowed by Mot seasonally to have Baal and the rains return when needed. The bones of the Passover sacrifice were not to be broken for that reason. It appears that the festival was revamped/rehabilitated as a commemoration of an expulsion from Egypt (Hyksos??) under Josiah for political reasons. Anyway, the festivals in the OT, if anything, illustrate the need people have for seasonally celebrating life and renewal. They also illustrate the syncretic nature of religion.
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Who raised Jesus from the dead?
by Blotty ini have seen arguments surrounding jesus' resurrection being proof of "the trinity" - now while in some cases it's a good argument the evidence for it remains very weak.
(bible quotes are from the nwt but other bibles are referenced, use whichever you please) this following version of it is a good example.. "the bible indicates that all [persons] of the trinity was involved in jesus’ resurrection.
galatians[1:1] says that the father raised jesus from the dead.
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peacefulpete
And multiple personality disorders are the best explained as demon possession or a wandering soul looking for a body to inhabit.
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The Holy Spirit
by Leolaia inthis was posted originally in the rodney dangerfield thread......
i don't really know much about the trinity other than what i was told as a jw but it does seem to me that the holy ghost is definitely running a distant third in the popularity contest.
when jws get into arguments with trinitarians, it's almost always about whether jesus is god, isn't it?
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Bump, hoping a few newer posters would appreciate this thread. Minus the post by our former resident messaiah JCannon.
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Who raised Jesus from the dead?
by Blotty ini have seen arguments surrounding jesus' resurrection being proof of "the trinity" - now while in some cases it's a good argument the evidence for it remains very weak.
(bible quotes are from the nwt but other bibles are referenced, use whichever you please) this following version of it is a good example.. "the bible indicates that all [persons] of the trinity was involved in jesus’ resurrection.
galatians[1:1] says that the father raised jesus from the dead.
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peacefulpete
BTW everyone knows the Trinity doctrine is not explicitly formulated in the NT writings. It's a red herring to assert as much. The trinity doctrine was formalized in the years immediately following, perhaps even before, the traditional close of the NT IN RESPONSE to the strongly indicative expressions in the NT and maturing oral tradition. There is no intellectually honest way to miss the explicit expressions of such a high Christology in the NT (Word is God, fullness of deity in bodily form, forgive sins, baptize in name of... etc) nor the repeated personification and equivalence of the HS with God. As JWs, we saw a conspiracy afoot because we saw the very next generation of Christians as apostate. In truth. as Riley mentioned, the foundational concepts of God having emanations in some respects acting independent from himself was a part of the Jewish tradition before the time Christians adopted it. There was no conspiracy, only some readers emphasizing some passages while other emphasized others, all convinced they were rightly interpreting. The writings themselves invited this. Christian obsession with mysteries and revelation reveled in it.
Further, a fundamental error in reading the varied writings of the Bible is to presume some singular belief about God or anything else. Despite the writings having been redacted and somewhat harmonized they still display a wide variety of convictions. It's hard to overstate the influence the WT had on our reading of the Bible.
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question for those who had been elders on judicial committee
by enoughisenough ini was wondering if some who may have been in the judgement seat ( so to speak ) had a wake-up call while judging someone who was defending leaving jw.
( or maybe it was from reading a letter of disassociation.
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What do Jehovah`s Witnesses beleive that can be linked to Pagan practices , anyone ?
by smiddy3 ina previous thread has inspired me to post this ,thanks guys .. { i`ve been out for so long i may have missed something }.
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peacefulpete
Every aspect of civilization began as "pagan". Every thing from the wheel and fire to the cultivars we all eat. All things had religious significance to someone.
Every religious concept was held by someone somewhere prior to Christianity.
The opening question is meaningless.
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What do Jehovah`s Witnesses beleive that can be linked to Pagan practices , anyone ?
by smiddy3 ina previous thread has inspired me to post this ,thanks guys .. { i`ve been out for so long i may have missed something }.
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peacefulpete
Carla...they did briefly have their own calendar. I had one many years ago. I had a huge bonfire before I learned how much that crap sells for.
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Why Not Celebrate Christmas?
by Mum inso, jw's don't celebrate christmas or other holidays.
as bill cetnar once said, there are two reasons for everything: the reason they tell you, and the real reason.
they will tell you it's because christmas is "pagan" and can lead to all sorts of licentious conduct (like drinking too much macallan scotch?)..
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peacefulpete
Enough... absolutely nothing. Those things are about celebrating life and new beginnings. Most Christians feel combing the two is just fine.