Can anyone show the argument for adding 30 years to 1844 and then the 40 years to 1874? I recall it being a typology eisegesis on 30 years of Jesus, 40 years in the wilderness.
peacefulpete
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Myth of 1914
by peacefulpete inthe wt engages in history revisionism when insisting the world changed overnight in 1914. in fact the european power struggles that came to a head were centuries old.
millions of lives had been lost in the wars of the 19th century, with the world a powder keg the years prior to the assassination of franz ferdinand in june 1914 which is often said, albeit rather arbitrarily, as the start of the war that escalated over the next 4 years into the great war.
take a look at these two pages and ask if the wt's interpretation of history seems accurate to you.
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Myth of 1914
by peacefulpete inthe wt engages in history revisionism when insisting the world changed overnight in 1914. in fact the european power struggles that came to a head were centuries old.
millions of lives had been lost in the wars of the 19th century, with the world a powder keg the years prior to the assassination of franz ferdinand in june 1914 which is often said, albeit rather arbitrarily, as the start of the war that escalated over the next 4 years into the great war.
take a look at these two pages and ask if the wt's interpretation of history seems accurate to you.
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TD...I imagine most every participant has a slightly different version of what happened and where fault lies. -
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Myth of 1914
by peacefulpete inthe wt engages in history revisionism when insisting the world changed overnight in 1914. in fact the european power struggles that came to a head were centuries old.
millions of lives had been lost in the wars of the 19th century, with the world a powder keg the years prior to the assassination of franz ferdinand in june 1914 which is often said, albeit rather arbitrarily, as the start of the war that escalated over the next 4 years into the great war.
take a look at these two pages and ask if the wt's interpretation of history seems accurate to you.
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The WT engages in history revisionism when insisting the world changed overnight in 1914. In fact the European power struggles that came to a head were centuries old. Millions of lives had been lost in the wars of the 19th century, with the world a powder keg the years prior to the assassination of Franz Ferdinand in June 1914 which is often said, albeit rather arbitrarily, as the start of the war that escalated over the next 4 years into the Great War. Take a look at these two pages and ask if the WT's interpretation of history seems accurate to you.
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Have the Jehovah's Witnesses brought reproach on the name Jehovah?
by Vanderhoven7 ini would have to say yes...by tagging god's alledged name in their title and attaching to it unusual doctrines, end of world date predictions, deadly blood interpretation, abusive shunning policy, csa cover ups.. is there more?.
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Yahweh is depicted as having directed genocide, endorsed selling slaves, stoning children with behavior problems and the raping of virgins. It's hard to imagine much of anything that could bring reproach on his name. -
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Kevin McFree is posting again on YouTube
by Anna Marina inif you haven't noticed kevin mcfree is posting again.
re-uploading some of the stuff he had to take down.. also, here is an article by a brother telling the gb exactly what he thinks of how they treated kevin.. https://governingbody.net/i-am-speaking-to-you-the-governing-body-to-move-you-to-shame.
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https://www.citizen.org/wp-content/uploads/DN-20-McFree-Pre-conference-Statement.pdf
It is a fascinating story.
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Great books for Gospel Research
by peacefulpete inamong the first books i acquired in my research was an old copy of a harmony of the synoptic gospels for historical and critical study by burton and goodspeed.
before that i had heard others speak of the 'synoptic problem' but it was meaningless to me and just sounded like quackery meant to discredit the bible.
i have to say this one volume's laying out the synoptic gospels (matt,mark,luke) without any commentary in a side by side parallel format rocked my world.
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peacefulpete
Glad someone enjoys this subject. Learning about Christian origins is extremely valuable for former JWs. There are some who have been separated from the WT church for many years who just haven't been able to move on. They appear frozen in their minds, unsure of what to believe about specific doctrinal debates but assume the WT indoctrination was essentially "true". Some seem almost afraid to investigate
I don't really understand that because IMO the best aspects of Christianity (ideals of selfless love and charity, can still be appreciated with an informed understanding of how religion evolves and adapts.
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2022 - Jehovah's Witness Video of the Year
by was a new boy inmy pick.. https://youtu.be/vyjmgf7kf-4.
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peacefulpete
When used appropriately caveats and qualifiers are entirely appropriate. The listener must recognize the intent is to present a possible, maybe even a probable, explanation. When they are used excessively however, they get tuned out and become mere expressions of feigned humility. The manipulative intent can be to present this image of humility as well as provide deniability for failure. -
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Who really is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?
by Godlyman inif anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.
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Article excerpted from http://www.bibleandscience.com/archaeology/dss.htm
Pre-Daniel Traditions 4Q242 Even before the discovery of the DSS, Wolfram von Soden posited that the stories about Nebuchadnezzar in Daniel 3 and 4 were actually stories told about Nabonidus. According to ancient Mesopotamia sources Nabonidus was the father of king Belshazzar, not Nebuchadnezzar as Daniel 5:2 states.
It seems that 4Q242 preserves a tradition that pre-dates the Biblical text of Daniel. It seems that a scribe copying (or redacting) the Book of Daniel changed the name of the lesser known Nabonidus to the better known Nebuchadnezzar who destroyed Jerusalem and the temple.
Non-Biblical Traditions of Daniel 4QPseudo-Daniel (4Q243-244-245) has a different perspective on history which starts in Genesis, but Daniel starts with the exiles. It seems that these fragments reflect a mixture of Enoch and Daniel traditions before the Book of Daniel was written.
4Q246 Aramaic Apocalypse or "Son of God Text" refers to a figure called "Son of God" and "Son of the Most High." This may be background for the Christology of Luke (Luke 1:32,35). This fragment seems to be dependent on Daniel 7 especially verses 14 and 27.
4Q552-553 Four Kingdoms preserves a vision of four trees which represent four kingdoms. One tree is identified with Babylon, and another with Persia. This vision may have developed from the Book of Daniel vision of one tree. Scrolls of the Book of Daniel There are eight copies of the Book of Daniel found in Qumran Caves 1, 4, and 6. They are 1Q71-2, 4Q112-116, and 6Q7pap. The Hebrew and Aramaic sections are preserved. Generally the texts follow the Masoretic tradition, but there are some important differences (See Charlesworth, The Bible and the Dead Sea Scrolls, Vol.1, p.161).
Prayer of Nabonidus 4Q242
[1] Words of the prayer, said by Nabonidus, king of Babylonia, [the great] king, [when afflicted]
[2] with an ulcer on command of the most high God in Tayma:
["I, Nabonidus,] was afflicted [with an evil ulcer]
[3] for seven years, and far from [men] I [was driven, until I prayed to the most high God.] And
[4] an exorcist pardoned my sins. He was a Jew from [among the children of the exile of Judah, and said:]
[5] "Recount this in writing to glorify and exalt the name of [the most high God."Then I wrote this:] "When
[67] I was afflicted for seven years [by the most high God] with an evil ulcer during my stay at Tayma,
[7] I prayed [to] the gods of silver and gold, [bronze and iron,] wood, stone and lime,{{It is interesting to notice that the line "have praised the gods of silver and gold, bronze and iron,
[8] wood and stone"
[the end is missing]
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Great books for Gospel Research
by peacefulpete inamong the first books i acquired in my research was an old copy of a harmony of the synoptic gospels for historical and critical study by burton and goodspeed.
before that i had heard others speak of the 'synoptic problem' but it was meaningless to me and just sounded like quackery meant to discredit the bible.
i have to say this one volume's laying out the synoptic gospels (matt,mark,luke) without any commentary in a side by side parallel format rocked my world.
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Among the first books I acquired in my research was an old copy of A Harmony of the Synoptic Gospels for Historical and Critical Study by Burton and Goodspeed. Before that I had heard others speak of the 'Synoptic Problem' but it was meaningless to me and just sounded like quackery meant to discredit the Bible. I have to say this one volume's laying out the Synoptic Gospels (Matt,Mark,Luke) without any commentary in a side by side parallel format rocked my world. I spent dozens of hours with colored pencil's highlighting exact phrasing and words. I got a little sloppy at times and missed stuff the first time through but it was abundantly clear what I was seeing was a literary dependence of one Gospel to another not simply independent witnesses confirming the accuracy of the story as I had been told. Two people can say essentially the same this but they will not use the same sentences and word choice. Sometimes it is as simple as laying out things carefully for comparison to see the process of composition and editing, seeing what was there all along but since we were told they were separate works we never noticed the obvious intertextuality. Here is a pic of my marked up book:
Since then I have found other similar works that utilize different translations and add more parallels to non-Canonical gospels and even quotations from church fathers. Here are a couple good ones.
Synopsis of the Four Gospels; Greek/English edition ~ Kurt Aland, (In just English also)
Gospel Parallels: A synopsis of the First Three Gospels ~ Ed. Burton H. Throckmorton. Jr.
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Who really is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?
by Godlyman inif anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.
estephan.
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The handling of available data is the issue, I understand that. The data that they and we have access to is more than enough to discredit their dogma.