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  Stupid English People !

  by Simon in

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  these are apparently real complaints received from a uk tour operator.

  no country has a monopoly on having stupid people!.

  these are actual complaints received by thomas cook vacations from dissatisfied customers:.

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  Haha! Nice one! I think you're close.... they were looking at some packs of reduced in price tomatoes...
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  How to DF 2 People… With ZERO Proof! New YouTube video and article

  by RayPublisher in

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  this story is quite remarkable and no doubt many will appreciate it being told.

  it is telling for several reasons; it highlights the fact that the watchtower organization can expel and marginalize anyone for literally anything if they are crossed.

  they did that to ray franz back in the early 1980s and they recently have done it to these fine folks.. there are some six pieces of documentation in the account and it is in some ways a complicated mess, but it really boils down to a couple of active witnesses informing on someone to the elders.

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  How could a mother do that to her own son? Turn him in, knowing he could get df'ed. Will she shun him now?

  Also what about their lawyer. Have they got anything to go on?
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  Stands For True Worship. I am turning myself in......

  by DATA-DOG in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  just answer this question in an honest and unbiased way, free from any circuitous reasoning or speculation.

  if you do so, i swear to my heavenly father, that i will call the elders tonight and turn myself in.

  any active jw may answer this question.

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  Avatar twins... LOL
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  Stupid English People !

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. humour

  these are apparently real complaints received from a uk tour operator.

  no country has a monopoly on having stupid people!.

  these are actual complaints received by thomas cook vacations from dissatisfied customers:.

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  tornapart

  Heard two Scotsmen in the supermarket yesterday... I was trying to work out what language they were speaking... then it dawned on me...
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  In general, the people on this forum have a poor outlook spiritually speaking.

  by Stand for Pure Worship in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i waz reading the august 15 wt study article, elisha saw fiery chariots, do you?

  and it made me think about this forum.

  if you remember, syria was hunting god's prophet, elisha.

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  he might be a full blown apostate already and he's just yanking our chain....
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  Stupid English People !

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. humour

  these are apparently real complaints received from a uk tour operator.

  no country has a monopoly on having stupid people!.

  these are actual complaints received by thomas cook vacations from dissatisfied customers:.

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  tornapart

  At least us Brits like to laugh at ourselves..
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  Stupid English People !

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. humour

  these are apparently real complaints received from a uk tour operator.

  no country has a monopoly on having stupid people!.

  these are actual complaints received by thomas cook vacations from dissatisfied customers:.

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  tornapart

  ROFL!! Perhaps they should have stayed at home!

  Have you ever seen the sit-com 'Benidorm'.... seem like typical Brit holiday makers? We go abroad and everyone else is the foreigner... LOL
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  In general, the people on this forum have a poor outlook spiritually speaking.

  by Stand for Pure Worship in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i waz reading the august 15 wt study article, elisha saw fiery chariots, do you?

  and it made me think about this forum.

  if you remember, syria was hunting god's prophet, elisha.

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  @SFPW... can you see how self-righteous you are coming across?

  We are all spiritually deficient so you are here to save us all. How arrogant!

  your words.... "There's been far too much preaching to the choir going on here and I aim to change that."

  You've answered NONE of the mostly very good thought provoking responses, except the two before yours.

  How long have you been a JW? Bet you're still wet behind the ears. You come across as very young and inexperienced and very robotic in your words and thoughts.
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  Catholic view of WT's contradictory doctrines.

  by tornapart in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  well put together article from http://www.catholic.com/magazine/articles/does-the-watch-tower-society-speak-for-god.

  contradictory doctrines.

  the jehovahs witnesses have a doctrine known as the "increase of light.

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  Well put together article from http://www.catholic.com/magazine/articles/does-the-watch-tower-society-speak-for-god

  Contradictory Doctrines

  The Jehovah’s Witnesses have a doctrine known as the "increase of light." It is based on Proverbs 4:18, which in their New World Translation of the Bible reads, "But the path of the righteous ones is like the bright light that is getting lighter and lighter until the day is firmly established." Witnesses understand this passage to mean that God reveals to them a progressively greater understanding of the Bible, known as "light." Over the course of time, then, the WTS is becoming more accurate in its interpretation of the Bible and in its prophecies, as the "light" shines more brightly.

  While Catholics agree with the idea of doctrinal development, that is not the process actually taking place within the WTS. When a teaching or belief genuinely develops, its essence remains intact as expanded layers of understanding are added to it. In fact, the first president of the WTS, Charles Taze Russell, said: "A new light of truth can never contradict a former truth. ‘New light’ never extinguishes older ‘light,’ but adds to it" (WT, Feb. 1881, 3).

  When we examine the history of the WTS teachings, though, we see a very different reality. Many WTS doctrines are contradictory or have been reversed, abandoned, or flip-flopped back and forth between interpretations. As Jehovah’s Witnesses became increasingly aware of this, the WTS had to account for it and so compared its doctrinal changes to a ship tacking in the wind (WT, Dec. 1, 1981, 27). A drawing accompanying the article shows a sailboat zig-zagging toward its destination. The reader is assured that the boat ultimately gets where it is headed. This explanation may satisfy some, but to others it is an attempt to cover up a history of doctrinal confusion.

  Here are some examples of the WTS extinguishing one "light" for another:

  The Great Pyramid of Giza is "God’s stone witness" detailing his plan for humanity (Studies in the Scriptures, vol. 3, 1890, 313) and later a "monument of demonism" (WT, Nov. 15, 1955, 697).

  Jesus should be worshiped (WT, Jul. 15, 1898, 216); then he should receive only "relative worship" (WT, Jan. 15, 1992, 23); then relative worship is forbidden (Make Sure of All Things, 1965 edition, 249); finally, he should not be worshiped (WT, Nov. 1, 1964, 671).

  The sower of the seed in the parable of the mustard seed (Matt. 13:31–32), is Satan (Man’s Salvation Out of World Distress Is at Hand, 1975, 208), and, in the same year, it is Jesus (WT, Oct. 1, 1975, 600).

  The men of Sodom and Gomorrah are to be resurrected (The Harp of God, 1921, 344), then not resurrected (WT, Jun. 1, 1952, 338), then resurrected (WT, Aug. 1, 1965, 479), then not resurrected (WT, Jun. 1, 1988, 30–31).

  The "higher authorities" of Romans 13:1 are earthly governments (Studies in the Scriptures, vol. 2, 1889, 81), then Jesus and Jehovah (WT, Jun. 1, 1929, 165), then the commercial and political elements of Satan’s organization (Preparation, 1933, 127), then Jehovah and Jesus (Salvation, 1939, 58), then human governments once again (WT, Nov. 15, 1962, 686).

  The WTS has said: "It is a serious matter to present God and Christ in one way, then find that our understanding of the major teachings and fundamental doctrines of the scriptures were in error, and then after that, to go back to the very doctrines that, by years of study, we have thoroughly determined to be in error. Christians cannot be vacillating—wishy-washy—about such fundamental teachings" (WT, May 15, 1976, 298).

  The article went on to ask, "What confidence can one put in the sincerity or judgment of such persons?" This is a point to ponder seriously when assessing the reliability of the Watch Tower Society as a spiritual guide.
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  Stands For True Worship. I am turning myself in......

  by DATA-DOG in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  just answer this question in an honest and unbiased way, free from any circuitous reasoning or speculation.

  if you do so, i swear to my heavenly father, that i will call the elders tonight and turn myself in.

  any active jw may answer this question.

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  tornapart

  DD, I noticed that at the DC... I thought it was very ironic that they were saying it.

  If he says it was the truth 100 years ago then it can't be now, as it's changed so much. Even 50 years ago when I was little. What they believe now is not what was believed back then.

  If it was true then, it can't be now. If it is true now, then it can't have been then. How can you have a 'present truth'?