Posts by tornapart

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Analysis of anti-607 BCE Rebuttals

by Ethos in

i agreed yesterday to engage in the '607' topic.

i've read numerous threads and am well aware that this topic has been addressed and dissected quite thoroughly.

therefore, if you are uninterested in participating, that's fine.

tornapart

I quite agree with never a jw.. there are no dates in the bible at all that can be fixed on. It is all pure conjecture. The only way any dates can be assumed is based on secular evidence, whether it's for 587BCE or 539BCE or any other date. Anyone reading the bible and the events in there have to make IT fit with secular evidence and not the other way around.

Where in the bible does it give an exact date for the fall of Jerusalem? It doesn't. Where in the bible does it gve an exact date for the fall of Babylon? It doesn't.

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Just Because Someone Is A JW "Apologist", It Doesn't Mean WE Have To Be Condescending & Nasty

by minimus in

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i know certain apologists might rub us the wrong way, but let's not treat them like their pieces of sh*t.. and i know certain posters might rub us the wrong way, but let's not be so quick to beat everybody down that's not of our same reasoning.. just saying..

tornapart

Yes, I'm with Minimus on this too. BB, you make some good points.

Some apologists can be frustrating sometimes but we are more likely to get our point across if we remain calm, focused on the points and not rising to ad hominem attacks and retaliating in kind.

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Anyone know of any effective but simple diets/diet tips? Weight gain after giving up smoking!

by Lozhasleft in

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i'm really struggling with this.

i gave up smoking a few months back and have put on around 20lbs already.

i've gone up another dress size and i wasn't slim to begin with!

tornapart

I've put on an extra stone since having 'a glass or two' with my dinner every night. I'm thinking of giving it up, but it's always seems like 'I'll give it up tomorrow'.. LOL

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Jehovah's Witnesses View of Jesus Compared to the Early Church

by cofty in

the following is an extract from something i wrote 16 years ago soon after leaving the watchtower.

i am posting it because it may help honest jws consider how far their beliefs are at odds with new testament christians.

if they have "the truth" then their attitude to jesus ought to reflect that of the apostles.

tornapart

Cofty: hahaha "If at first you don't suceed, 5881 attempts later"

Well, I must confess I haven't read all 5880+ posts of yours Cofty.. LOL ... who knows what other gems I may have missed...

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Jehovah's Witnesses View of Jesus Compared to the Early Church

by cofty in

the following is an extract from something i wrote 16 years ago soon after leaving the watchtower.

i am posting it because it may help honest jws consider how far their beliefs are at odds with new testament christians.

if they have "the truth" then their attitude to jesus ought to reflect that of the apostles.

tornapart

Excellent piece Cofty! Probably the best piece I've seen you post on here!

I really can't see how JWs can call themselves christians as they only ever give Christ lip service. It's the biggest thing for me. They say as 'true christians' we shouldn't pray to him, shouldn't worship him or give him glory... by saying that, they are going directly contrary to the very source of christianity!

Hope you have some more stuff like this from your old days as a believer Cofty!

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New here

by Change Name in

i had been studying with the jehovah's witnesses for the last couple years.

they have been interesting study sessions and have learned quite a bit about them and their beliefs.

much of what they teach is what i had learned through personal bible study.. growing up was normal.

tornapart

Welcome change name. If you truly are interested in making sure of things before you progress then could I suggest to you that you read the book 'Captives of a Concept' by Don Cameron. Try and read it with an open mind and without blinkers. Unlike the way you did with jwfacts website. It's no good reading the 'other side' of the issue with the thought 'this is deliberately leading me', because this is what everyone does who is trying to get their reader to think along their lines of thought. The WT does it all the time. If you read it and still think that JWs are the best thing since sliced bread then fair enough, at least you'll have all the info on it all.

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Reaching Loved Ones Stuck in a Cult: An Idea for Discussion

by 00DAD in

you may have heard the expression: "the map is not the territory.

" have you ever thought about how this idea may help you reach your loved ones stuck in a cult?

the phrase has been attributed to polish-american scientist and philosopher alfred korzybski.

tornapart

Thanks Loz. xx Yes it is hard and it helps to know there are others on here that are in the same boat. Being able to share tips and thoughts with them really helps.

Another thing I've found is that you have to use 'Jw speak'... it's no good using terms picked up on JWN, it won't work. Even if talking JW language grates, it makes them think you're on 'their side' and you can get further in making them think about things.

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You know you're an old fuddy duddy has-been when..............

by Theocratic Sedition in

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justin bieber comes to town and you're scoping out all the mothers who're either dropping off their daughters or chaperoning.

self-facepalm moment..

tornapart

When your sons start complaing that they are getting old...

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Reaching Loved Ones Stuck in a Cult: An Idea for Discussion

by 00DAD in

you may have heard the expression: "the map is not the territory.

" have you ever thought about how this idea may help you reach your loved ones stuck in a cult?

the phrase has been attributed to polish-american scientist and philosopher alfred korzybski.

tornapart

I think I've tried all angles.. Mormons, Amish.. questions, arguements, I try to keep from being attacking as I know that doesn't work. Dropping questions every now and again works the best for me. The best I can say I've got so far is acceptance from them that I no longer believe it all, even if I have to keep it up. If I stop they start thinking I'm 'coming back'.. that's never going to happen. I'm constantly trying to think of new things that might work.

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JW tour bus crashes in Florida, with fatalities-

by moshe in

miami - a bus carrying 32 members of a church group hit a concrete overpass at miami international airport after the driver got lost, killing two elderly people on board and leaving three others critically injured, officials said saturday.. the large, white bus was too tall for the 8-foot-6-inch entrance to the arrivals area, said airport spokesman greg chin.

buses are supposed to go through the departures area, which has a higher ceiling, he said.. chin said the passengers told him they were part of a group of jehovah's witnesses headed to west palm beach.

police said in a news release that the group had chartered the bus to take them to a church convention there-.

tornapart

I feel so sad when i read of something like this. I also feel very sad when I hear some say that basically other JWs have no heart or compassion when things like this happen. When I suffered a personal tragedy several years ago I had wonderful support. Congregations are made up of human beings who are quite capable of showing love, sympathy and compassion as in any other community. My heart goes out to these families.