Breaking news--I hope this gets settled in the next day or two! The Pentagon said late yesterday they had pictures of trucks at this site before the invasion. The following article has evidence the explosives (not WMDs) were still there when the US swept thru the area without investigating.
patio34
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Tons Of Iraq Explosives Missing
by teejay intons of iraq explosives missing
material could be used as nuclear trigger .
cnn) -- some 380 tons of explosives powerful enough to detonate nuclear warheads are missing from a former iraqi military facility that was supposed to be under american control, the u.n.'s nuclear watchdog says.
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Tons Of Iraq Explosives Missing
by teejay intons of iraq explosives missing
material could be used as nuclear trigger .
cnn) -- some 380 tons of explosives powerful enough to detonate nuclear warheads are missing from a former iraqi military facility that was supposed to be under american control, the u.n.'s nuclear watchdog says.
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patio34
A president who have an army who can't even to their job and live WOMD to the supposed enemies hands
first the prez gets lambasted because there are no wmds in iraq....now hes getting lambasted for letting the wmds in iraq fall into the wrong hands.?. i cant keep up.
Dubla
Hi ya Dubla,
Actually it's simple: what is missing are NOT illegal WMDs. The UN knew about it, guarded it, and sealed it.
It's not that they could have NO weapons of any kind, but not WMDs.
Pat
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I'm Off To Vote! Let's see how long it takes them to DF me.....
by SixofNine ini'm going to guess 2 hours and 35 minutes from right now, unless the anouncements run long.
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patio34
I don't understand, Six. I looked up your August thread on mtg with the Starchamber and your letter. But why would they know you're voting? I missed something.
Pat
P.S. Edited to add that I get it. You knew about the announcement and are incidentally going out to vote.
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Tons Of Iraq Explosives Missing
by teejay intons of iraq explosives missing
material could be used as nuclear trigger .
cnn) -- some 380 tons of explosives powerful enough to detonate nuclear warheads are missing from a former iraqi military facility that was supposed to be under american control, the u.n.'s nuclear watchdog says.
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patio34
This was not the issue at hand......like I said this is old news...Notice the date?
Using the same News Paper that has now been discredited on the same story.....wow, good job!!
Can?t you guys just admit the facts are not known yet? Even Kerry?s handlers now admit that. The fact is, this is just another failed attempt to use disinformation before the election, however, this time, it has backfired---ThiChi
Obfuscation Deny, deny, deny---it works sometimes for lawyers, and President Bush. This invasion has been mismanaged from its inception in "Bush's Brain." It's now costing every taxpayer $1000--kiss your modest tax break goodbye.
Pat
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Tons Of Iraq Explosives Missing
by teejay intons of iraq explosives missing
material could be used as nuclear trigger .
cnn) -- some 380 tons of explosives powerful enough to detonate nuclear warheads are missing from a former iraqi military facility that was supposed to be under american control, the u.n.'s nuclear watchdog says.
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patio34
Right Will, Bush claimed we had to rush to war because the "smoking gun may come in the form of a mushroom cloud." He was so worried about the WMDs that they didn't apparently bother to secure the weapons of smaller destruction.
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October 27, 2004
MISSING EXPLOSIVESNo Check of Bunker, Unit Commander Says
By JIM DWYER and DAVID E. SANGERhite House officials reasserted yesterday that 380 tons of powerful explosives may have disappeared from a vast Iraqi military complex while Saddam Hussein controlled Iraq, saying a brigade of American soldiers did not find the explosives when they visited the complex on April 10, 2003, the day after Baghdad fell.But the unit's commander said in an interview yesterday that his troops had not searched the site and had merely stopped there overnight.
The commander, Col. Joseph Anderson, of the Second Brigade of the Army's 101st Airborne Division, said he did not learn until this week that the site, Al Qaqaa, was considered sensitive, or that international inspectors had visited it before the war began in 2003 to inspect explosives that they had tagged during a decade of monitoring.
Colonel Anderson, who is now the chief of staff for the division and who spoke by telephone from Fort Campbell, Ky., said his troops had been driving north toward Baghdad and had paused at Al Qaqaa to make plans for their next push.
"We happened to stumble on it,'' he said. "I didn't know what the place was supposed to be. We did not get involved in any of the bunkers. It was not our mission. It was not our focus. We were just stopping there on our way to Baghdad. The plan was to leave that very same day. The plan was not to go in there and start searching. It looked like all the other ammunition supply points we had seen already."
What had been, for the colonel and his troops, an unremarkable moment during the sweep to Baghdad took on new significance this week, after The New York Times, working with the CBS News program "60 Minutes," reported that the explosives at Al Qaqaa, mainly HMX and RDX, had disappeared since the invasion.
Earlier this month, officials of the interim Iraqi government informed the United Nations International Atomic Energy Agency that the explosives disappeared sometime after the fall of Mr. Hussein on April 9, 2003. Al Qaqaa, which has been unguarded since the American invasion, was looted in the spring of 2003, and looters were seen there as recently as Sunday.
President Bush's aides told reporters that because the soldiers had found no trace of the missing explosives on April 10, they could have been removed before the invasion. They based their assertions on a report broadcast by NBC News on Monday night that showed video images of the 101st arriving at Al Qaqaa.
By yesterday afternoon Mr. Bush's aides had moderated their view, saying it was a "mystery" when the explosives disappeared and that Mr. Bush did not want to comment on the matter until the facts were known.
On Sunday, administration officials said that the Iraq Survey Group, the C.I.A. taskforce that hunted for unconventional weapons, had been ordered to look into the disappearance of the explosives. On Tuesday night, CBS News reported that Charles A. Duelfer, the head of the taskforce, denied receiving such an order.
At the Pentagon, a senior official, who asked not to be identified, acknowledged that the timing of the disappearance remained uncertain. "The bottom line is that there is still a lot that is not known," the official said.
The official suggested that the material could have vanished while Mr. Hussein was still in power, sometime between mid-March, when the international inspectors left, and April 3, when members of the Army's Third Infantry Division fought with Iraqis inside Al Qaqaa. At the time, it was reported that those soldiers found a white powder that was tentatively identified as explosives. The site was left unguarded, the official said.
The 101st Airborne Division arrived April 10 and left the next day. The next recorded visit by Americans came on May 27, when Task Force 75 inspected Al Qaqaa, but did not find the large quantities of explosives that had been seen in mid-March by the international inspectors. By then, Al Qaqaa had plainly been looted.
Colonel Anderson said he did not see any obvious signs of damage when he arrived on April 10, but that his focus was strictly on finding a secure place to collect his troops, who were driving and flying north from Karbala.
"There was no sign of looting here," Colonel Anderson said. "Looting was going on in Baghdad, and we were rushing on to Baghdad. We were marshaling in."
A few days earlier, some soldiers from the division thought they had discovered a cache of chemical weapons that turned out to be pesticides. Several of them came down with rashes, and they had to go through a decontamination procedure. Colonel Anderson said he wanted to avoid a repeat of those problems, and because he had already seen stockpiles of weapons in two dozen places, did not care to poke through the stores at Al Qaqaa.
"I had given instructions, 'Don't mess around with those. It looks like they are bunkers; we're not messing around with those things. That's not what we're here for,' " he said. "I thought we would be there for a few hours and move on. We ended up staying overnight."
Thom Shanker and William J. Broad contributed reporting for this article.
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Tons Of Iraq Explosives Missing
by teejay intons of iraq explosives missing
material could be used as nuclear trigger .
cnn) -- some 380 tons of explosives powerful enough to detonate nuclear warheads are missing from a former iraqi military facility that was supposed to be under american control, the u.n.'s nuclear watchdog says.
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patio34
Well the bumbling, Keystone-Cops approach of the Bush cabal is shown up once again for what it truly is: inept and incapable of doing anything right.
(Edited) religious zealot clings to his belief no matter what the evidence. Lol, most of the supporters of the bumblers-in-theif are very religious.
Wake up and smell the coffee! About 50 Iraqi police were executed, Bush wants 70 Billion more for his folly, and almost 400 tons of explosives are missing! What a trifecta of news this week! And the right says it's politically motivated---Bushit! ROFLMAO!
(Edited) the Church of Bush or Father Bush, lol!
Pat
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patio34
Brilliant!
Gretchen, here's one place it is and it loads more quickly:
http://www.dailykos.com/images/user/3/jesusbush.jpg
Cheers!
Pat
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Poll-----Did The Internet Help You Get Out Of The Organization??
by minimus ini read many "apostate" books before i left the "truth".
mentally, i was drifting away for years.
but i do think that the internet really made it easy to see all the evidence that overwhelmingly showed jws do not have the "truth".....was the 'net instrumental in getting you out?
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patio34
The net wasn't the first thing. But after my initial break, it was very helpful.
It seems to me that information is the greatest enemy of the mind-control of the WT or and group. The internet makes that information available to everyone.
Plus, the WTS hates that doubters can find other people in support groups on the net, I'm sure. People aren't isolated from like-minded ones as they were in the past. After all, before the internet, how could you get together with other enlightened, free ones? Very difficult, compared to today.
Pat
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Kristy says, "I love you" and sends her hugs to yall.
by Frannie Banannie inshe was thrilled with all the well-wishes, encouraging words and flowers yall sent....loved the irises, the japanese and other garden scenes and peaceful woodland and marine scenes and wind in her sails, and all the bouquets....and those of yall that shared your own personal struggles with kristy, she appreciated it very much and her heart goes out to yall.....she loved the poem from doubleedge and french baby face's accent.
good news!
the docs found out what was affecting her blood....anemia and an infection that had migrated from her uti and they've solved the cath problem, so she can go home probably tomorrow and get on the road to recovery very soon after they finish the regimen of antibiotics and get her built back up.
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patio34
That's great, Frannie---thanks for the update. Good news!
Pat
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The age of Enlightenment seems to be over.
by Norm inan excellent british author francis wheen has written a humorous yet very serious book on how enlightenment has lost out to what he calls ?mumbo jumbo among most people.. in his book ?how mumbo jumbo conquered the world a short history of modern delutions?
he demonstrates how widespread this is.
comparing the presidents back 200 years ago with the ones running in the election of 2000 he notes: .
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patio34
Fascinating subject, Norm, and good contributions from Belmont and Jst2Laws.
Noam Chomsky theorizes the reason behind America's reliogisity being at the level of 3rd-world countries as opposed to other industrialized countries. He posits that it's due to not being given much of a meaningful political role in the 2-party system. And, since people have no real say in their government, they turn to religion (for one) to fill the need.
As far as Norm's references to the book, it seems to fit with America being really run by corporations, not politics. Thomas Dewey said long ago: "Politics is the shadow corporations cast on the land."
Pat
hite House officials reasserted yesterday that 380 tons of powerful explosives may have disappeared from a vast Iraqi military complex while Saddam Hussein controlled Iraq, saying a brigade of American soldiers did not find the explosives when they visited the complex on April 10, 2003, the day after Baghdad fell.