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  Visit From Jehovah's Witnesses

  by Vanderhoven7 in

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  had two lovely jws (stephen and ruth) visit this morning.

  this was our second study in the last 2 weeks.

  they first knocked on my door (bell is out) 3 weeks ago and i shared my testimony and we arranged to meet last tuesday which we did.. our first study went like this:.

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  Londo111

  It's like playing a boardgame with a kid who overturns the board and storms off when you don't let him him...
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  POP QUIZ: You're An Elder, And A Sister Has Suicidal Thoughts...

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  lets imagine you're a jehovah's witness elder.

  you have zero theological training aside from what you've read in the watchtower and the currently still approved watchtower publications, you have zero counseling skills, and no medical training.

  a recently bereaved sister approaches you in tears and tells you she just wants to die.. what do you do?.

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  And everyone knows more field service will solve all her problems...

  If she is pioneering already, perhaps she can find ways to do more?
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  Moving to Warwick Video incl. Morning Worship

  by Listener in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a new video is up about the commencement of moving to warwick.shawn bartlett tells the viewers that jehovah has said, through the governing body, ‘it’s time to move out of brooklyn.

  ‘ then helper robert lucciona says ‘ the governing body, these brothers, as soon as they see god’s direction, they just move, it doesn’t matter if it is long held, cherished ideas, this is the way it has to be done, as soon as they see jehovahs direction.

  he just kept nudging imperfect humans, he knew where he wanted us and then we end up where we are supposed to be.

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  They Governing Body are prophets who get to play the "imperfect men" card.
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  141st Gilead Gradution Talks 1st Part

  by Listener in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  these grads.

  are a special people indeed.

  how on earth they put up with all this indoctrination is beyond me, months of intense brainwashing.

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  Londo111

  Interesting stuff. Thanks!
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  Jehovah’s (Hidden) Message Revealed (Why no TV ministry?) Terry Walstrom

  by Dogpatch in

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  2. friends

  jehovahs (hidden) message revealed

  by terry

  walstrom

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  Times have sure changed!
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  Introduction

  by robrog8999 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hello all.... i am new here so i figured i'd make a quick post introducing myself and giving a brief intro as to who i am and what i'm here for... as well as to hopefully meet others.. so, i made a profile and in it i gave a pretty detailed explanation as to my intent here and exactly why i decided to participate in the boards.

  in case you don't read it, i'll give a brief summary.

  the name is robert.

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  Londo111

  Robert,

  In any endeavor in life, whether buying a car or finding a spiritual path, one needs to look at all sides. For a religion or church, you need to hear from members and former members.

  If you were buying a used car, wouldn’t you want to hear if there were a high rate of dissatisfied customers? Why are they dissatisfied? Would you only listen to the car salesman and their brochures?

  I would definitely balance what you are reading on the official website with: jwfacts.com

  For the record, the Jehovah’s Witness religion does teach that it is the one and only restoration of first century Christianity. In fact, the current teaching is that in the year 1919, Christ chose the leaders (the Governing Body, who lead Jehovah’s Witnesses) as “the faithful and discreet slave”, the sole channel God is using to communicate with mankind. This is the core JW teaching around which everything else revolves. Their literature says: “Our spiritual health and our relationship with God depend on this channel."

  Do you believe that your relationship with God depends on recognizing seven men in New York as “the faithful and discreet slave?” Do you believe that Jesus appointed the governing body in 1919 as God’s sole channel? If you are a JW and say no, then you are subsequently expelled and shunned. You are labeled an “apostate”.

  Your friend’s mother took a blood transfusion and was excommunicated and shunned. By your own admission, the family was torn apart. This is par for the course. It has been estimated that 50000 people have died because the JW leadership not only bans blood transfusions, it enforces this ban with expulsion and shunning. Some elders are part of Hospital Liaison Committees who are there to help ensure JWs comply when they are in the hospital. BTW…blood transfusions and donating blood are banned, but blood fractions are allowed as of 2000.

  Tens of thousands of people a year are disfellowshipped and subsequently shunned by their friends and family. This has resulted in countless suicides. The pain is very real, especially since JWs are taught only to make friends with other JWs. Overnight, a person can lose their whole support system and social network.

  What can you be disfellowshipped for? Celebrating any holiday, like Christmas or a birthday. Not agreeing with Watchtower teachings (like Jesus invisible presence began in 1914, the ban on blood transfusion, ect…), associating with a disfellowshiped person….and countless other rules. A JW can be taken into the 'back room' of the Kingdom Hall and interrogated by a “judicial committee”, a panel of 3 elders who act as judge, jury, and executioner. No recordings are allowed. No observers are allowed. There are no defense or character witnesses.

  The reason for this forum is because of this pain and because folks within the organization cannot speak freely or question anything…not without consequences. Some here do not believe in the religion, but still attend and go door to door, because if they choose to do otherwise, they will lose their family.

  A recent Pew poll found that two thirds of those who were raised as a JW no longer were. That is a lot of dissatisfied customers! In the Pew poll of religions, JWs come in dead last when it comes to a retention rate, in higher education, and in income.

  The official website is geared toward outsiders. It is worded in such a way to appear reasonable. However, a little digging can reveal how deceptive the official website is.

  Did not Jesus warn to beware of false prophets who come as wolves in sheep’s clothing? Did he not say, “by their fruits you will know them”?

  JWs set another record on setting of dates when it comes to when Armageddon would happen. To name a few: 1914, 1925, 1975. In 1918, they taught, “Millions now living will never die!” Until 1995, they said it was the Creator’s promise that the generation that saw 1914 would not pass away—now it is taught that the generation is two overlapping groups (one that sees 1914, the other that sees the End).

  In comparison to all this, whether God is one person or three distinct persons with one divine essence seems a non-issue. There are other churches who espouse Arianism. Most churches, people are allowed to be guided by their own conscience and reading of Scripture as to what they personally believe. Even those with an official Trinitarian creed, most would not expel or shun an individual for having another view.
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  25% of US JW's born outside US

  by darkspilver in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hey look!!

  new topic due to new topic direction - immigration rather than economic - of course they might be related.... you often hear that in the us the jw growth is in the foreign language congregations.

  which is interesting because..... 25% of jw's are first generation immigrants (ie born abroad).

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  Londo111

  Thanks for posting this.
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  Does becoming (or remaining) one of Jehovah's Witnesses result in Poverty? Pew Research results differ from Watchtower claims.

  by Balaamsass2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  "raised in the truth" during the 50s, 60s,and 70s i repeatedly read and heard from the platform how reading the magazines weekly "was the equivalent of a college education" and how many had turned their family economic situation around by being "trustworthy" and giving up expensive bad habits most "worldly people" had.

  sounded good.. what is the reality?

  how does avoiding higher education, and then spending up to 20 hours a week getting ready for, commuting, and then participating in meetings and field service affect family finances?.

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  Londo111

  It's bad news for Watchtower...there's little "silver and gold" to be had.
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  Reviews Of Some Of The UK's Best And Worst Religious Flyers

  by Bangalore in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  reviews of some of the uk's best and worst religious flyers.. http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/review-religious-flyers-charlie-bowden.

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  "One hostile encounter was with two young Jehovah's Witnesses, I asked if they had any flyers and they were pretty suspicious and not very nice. That said, the best experience was also with Jehovah's Witnesses. Two followers knocked at my door; I had some free time so was happy to chat. We spoke for about an hour, they left me with reading materials and stuff, and I thought that was it. However, the following week I was out and they came back to my house and actually asked for me by name. I loved the fact that I made enough of an impression on them that they wanted to come back."

  They probably thought he was an "opposer" or "apostate". And by taking the literature and talking to them an hour, he doesn't realize he became a return visit.
  
  
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  Hello - New Member

  by NotAnointed in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i just wanted to intoroduce myself.

  i have been lurking for some time and finally decided to register and hopefully contribute to this great forum.. i am in my mid 30s and have never been in the truth.

  my wife became a jw several years ago and since she is a (mostly) stay at home mom my two boys are also jws.

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  Londo111

  Welcome to the forum!